Thanks, Ruby, for the kind words.

You and Perpetrator are both sort of right about me. . .I agree with you about abuse, Ruby, I wouldn't want to be beaten unless I was actually enjoying it in some way. . .But the enjoyment isn't necessarily *physical.*

I can experience the physical sensations as unpleasant or uncomfortable but still crave them, not because I think I deserve punishment but because I get off so completely on the idea that a man is becoming aroused by giving me pain. . . I would, of course, want him to stop if I asked him to--that's where the abuse avoidance comes in--but I want him to be intensely turned-on by the actual act and I want his arousal to not be dependent on mine: in other words, if he does it just because I asked nicely, then we'll still probably have fun, but it won't be that intense high that I crave. (And he can't be turned on by just hurting anyone, or hurting all women, it needs to be a woman he desires. . .)

Are there any other subs out there who feel this way?

And what about the doms/sadists out there, male or female? Do you get off on inflicting pain only if your sub enjoys the physical sensation of a good beating? Or is this kink something separate and apart from the sub's physical pleasure?

And, I'm specifically interested in het male doms/sadists who are NOT misogynists: what is it, if anything, about giving pain to your sub/lover and watching her receive it that turns you on?

-SP