The Schapelle Corby Story

[Caitlin]

you say i have no point when i say that prosecution's job is not to prove someone's innocence. yet you say that they failed to prove that the bag wasn't tampered with. thats the defense's problem. prosecutors jobs are to PROSECUTE. they convince the judge or jury someone's guilty while the defense does the opposite. if you can't get the point of that then i'm sorry there's no simplier way to explain it.

I never said you have no point, and … I never indicated that it is the prosecutors job to prove an accused innocent. What I’m saying is that, the bag is a crucial piece of evidence. Schapelle identified the bag as being tampered with. Authorities failed to procure or extract any other evidence from the bag other than the drugs.

The defence asked that the bag be fingerprinted, and this request was dismissed. Therefore, the tampered bag scenario could not be used by the defence to prove innocence, and since the tampered bag scenario was raised in court, it was not disproved by the prosecution. Therefore, by failing to do so in this matter, they did not disprove that she is innocent. If the prosecution could prove that the bag was not tampered with, then they would have strengthened their case that Schepelle is guilty (we are talking prior to conviction here).

And I’m not saying they had to, I’m just saying they didn’t. If you can’t get the point of that, then I’m sorry there’s no simpler was to explain it.

whats your point that drugs are smuggled out of indonesia? it has nothing to do with this case where she was bringing it in. doesn't matter if the country is full of drugs already, the law still stands and exists.

The point is, why would someone smuggle a bag full of marijuana from Australia, where the sale price for the commodity is quite high, to Indonesia, where the sale price for the same commodity is a much lower sale price, (and the standard conviction is the death penalty )?? I thought I was clear in my smuggling drugs to Columbia example to you. It is the unanswered ’Why?’ and doesn’t make sense. Therefore adds to her presumption of innocence.

of course its expected that you'll be emotionally offended by anything other than the response you expect to get.

No, not really. As you said, it’s a forum. I’m giving my opinion on the matter. Your post lacked tact, finesse and sensitivity, as did mine

[RhondaLee]

Schapelle identified the bag as being tampered with.


The point is, why would someone smuggle a bag full of marijuana from Australia, where the sale price for the commodity is quite high, to Indonesia, where the sale price for the same commodity is a much lower sale price, (and the standard conviction is the death penalty )?? I thought I was clear in my smuggling drugs to Columbia example to you. It is the unanswered ’Why?’ and doesn’t make sense. Therefore adds to her presumption of innocence.

How exactly can a person identify a bag with a zipper being tamper with? That she knows someone opens the zipper and close it?

And noone suspects her of selling the weed. But she's on vacation, so clearly the weed is used for her personal enjoyment while vacation at Bali. Hey, she's not the first tourist bringing weed while on vacation and surely won't be the last.

The part about the bio agent at the embassy, I never see these aussie have it in them. I can see throwing potatos or apple, but bio agent? What is next? Following those 22 indo embassy staff home and kill their families?

[albear]

We could probably argue about this until the cows come home, because there are so many intricacies and of course everyone has a different opinion. The biochemical matter turned out to be bacteria, but was not dangerous. And just like there can be extremists in any country or culture, they exist in Australia too. As Caitlin mentioned, a lot of Aussies are comparing what happened to Schapelle to what happened to Bashir with the Aussies who died in the Bali bombings and considering it a huge miscarriage of justice.

We aren't going to solve anything here by arguing about it though, I think in answer to the original question, I don't think I'd like a work of fiction based on the Corby story, because it's a little too close to my heart.

Just my $0.02, I'm bowing out of the conversation now

[Caitlin]

How exactly can a person identify a bag with a zipper being tamper with? That she knows someone opens the zipper and close it?

Schapelle said that when she zipps that bag, both zippers are at the top of the bag. She pointed out that when she picked up the bag, both zippers met in the middle.

And noone suspects her of selling the weed. But she's on vacation, so clearly the weed is used for her personal enjoyment while vacation at Bali. Hey, she's not the first tourist bringing weed while on vacation and surely won't be the last.

I didn't say she was selling the weed. I'm pointing something out. She is on vacation. That's right. So she would want as much spending money as possible. Right. So why buy the weed from a country, where the price is quite high, and smuggle it into a country where she could purchase the weed for a much lower price, and sidestep the smuggling issue, with the possibility of being apprehended, and gacing a long term in jail, or the possibility of the death sentance?

If she wanted to save money, smoke dope while on holiday, and and live to tell about it, she would have brought it there, not smuggle it in.

The part about the bio agent at the embassy, I never see these aussie have it in them. I can see throwing potatos or apple, but bio agent?

What has this got to do with Schapelle Corby. It's the action of one person not 'these aussies'. In tonights news, it was suppose to be harmless white powder, and Corby's name was not used in the letter that accompanied the letter.

I can see throwing potatos or apple, but bio agent? What is next? Following those 22 indo embassy staff home and kill their families?

A bit extreemist in our outlook arn't we. But then according to you Quote "Wouldn't it be something for this news to transform into a BDSM enslavement story."Unquote, so I shouldn't be surprised by your outlook

[maamsboy]

i don't believe that the Australian public has been given all of the facts pertaining to this case.
the media will only tell the public what they want us to know and what will sell papers.
it is unfortunate what has happened to her, but it is a cross she will have to bare. nothing done (action wise) in Australia is going to change the outcome of her sentence. 20yrs may be unfair but that is the way it is run over there in Indonesia.
i have heard 'talk' that she is a drug runner and that her boy friend is a bikie gang leader. her boy friend is also the brother of the person that has 'bank rolled' her defence.
once again, this is what i have heard and quite possiblilty rumour. but every rumour has an once of truth in it.

[Caitlin]

I have my opinions on the media, but I would find them a more reliable source than your 'talk' maamsboy.

[RhondaLee]

Schapelle said that when she zipps that bag, both zippers are at the top of the bag. She pointed out that when she picked up the bag, both zippers met in the middle.

That's right. So she would want as much spending money as possible. Right. So why buy the weed from a country, where the price is quite high, and smuggle it into a country where she could purchase the weed for a much lower price, and sidestep the smuggling issue, with the possibility of being apprehended, and gacing a long term in jail, or the possibility of the death sentance?

If she wanted to save money, smoke dope while on holiday, and and live to tell about it, she would have brought it there, not smuggle it in.

If the zipper is in the wrong spot, why doesn't she open it right away and check if something is missing?

She couldn't have buy the weed over there while on vacation because she is a tourist. When I go on vacation, I have trouble finding a store that sells postage stamp, but I don't use drugs, so I won't be looking it in another country.

We are talking about weed, not newspaper, how's she supposed to find it while she has a limited days on a vacation, when she said it herself, that she doesn't speak their language.

If you go on vacation to a new place, regardless whether you have been to that place a few times, how easy can it be to find weed? Without knowing anyone?

So why waste all that time while her hotel rate is being billed by the day, when she can bring some from homeland?

So bringing in from Australia makes perfect sense to me.

Besides, what if she is a airhead who doesn't know the penalty is life in prison or death sentence on smuggle drugs?

[miss duece]

back to the orginal topic of the thread. i think there's nothing wrong with writing the story if thats what you really wanted to do. just put some kind of disclaimer or whatever in the beginning warning the potential reader. afterall, no one's forcing anyone to read anything. if it doesn't suit their tastes its not your problem if you've warned them. there's plenty of other stories to read on this site.

[chromedome11]

We are talking about weed, not newspaper, how's she supposed to find it while she has a limited days on a vacation, when she said it herself, that she doesn't speak their language.

I haven't been to Indonesia, but I've been to Jamaica. You can easily buy weed within one hour of landing at the airport. There are pushers everywhere. I suspect it's the same in Indonesia, because it's a very profitable business.

I'm with Caitlin on this. No one in their right mind would smuggle weed into a third world country. Even if she did, 20 years is a ridiculously long sentence for possession. Murderers get away with much less.

[miss duece]

maybe in canada it would be long, but according to the indonesians, twenty years for 9lbs of weed is light and they're appealing for a harsher sentence. in china anything over five pounds is a automatic death sentence if you're found guilty. different countries just do things differently. i've been to indonesia, i didn't find pushers at every corner contrary to your beliefs. but i did find a lot of food stalls that gave me stomach aches later.

on another note, it doesn't matter if anyone thought the trial was fair or not in the end. what right does australian public have to tell or strong arm a soverign nation, recognized by the international community, how to run their system, especially when the government of indonesia poses no military threat? she got caught in indonesian soil, its their jurisdiction. there goes objectiveness for you.

[Caitlin]

RhondaLee, If you can’t find postage stamps, then we know who the airhead is.

maybe in canada it would be long, but according to the indonesians, twenty years for 9lbs of weed is light and they're appealing for a harsher sentence. in china anything over five pounds is a automatic death sentence if you're found guilty. different countries just do things differently.

Different countries, may do things differently, but I’m sure that 20 years is a long time out of anyones life regardless what country they come from. I’m sure the poor guy facing the firing squad would consider his sentence extreem for carrying five pounds of marauana.

different countries just do things differently. i've been to indonesia, i didn't find pushers at every corner contrary to your beliefs.

I havent actually been to Indonesia, but I’m sure they don’t have a flashing light on their head to get your attention.

on another note, it doesn't matter if anyone thought the trial was fair or not in the end.

Why not? Aren’t people allowed to have an opinion?

what right does australian public have to tell or strong arm a soverign nation, recognized by the international community

How is the Australian public strong arming the soverign nation of Indonesia?

, how to run their system,

Is that what the Australian public doing? I live in Australia. I missing all this action!!! Where is your sourse to make that statement miss duece?

especially when the government of indonesia poses no military threat?

Miss duece, you really need to do your homework. Especially if your going to make such ludicrous statements.

she got caught in indonesian soil, its their jurisdiction. there goes objectiveness for you.

Can't the Australian public have an opinion what happens to one of their citizens, weather that person be overseas or not? Besides...

During WW2, An american serviceman was caught murdering a woman in Melbourne, and it was discovered that he had killed several women on Australian soil. Australian law was not recognised, and bypassed, and the US Military had tried the man, even though he was still on Australian soil. According to your own law, you had set a precident for this to occur. How, then do you condem this??? I really don’t think international law is your fortee miss duece. What was your second option for uni?