Flaming-Redhead,

I agree that if there is a line there, it is somewhere beyond submissive and into the slave category. But is the line even there? Shouldn't it be further out? The watchwords of the community, which we all shout loudly at naysayers and critics, are Safe, Sane, and Consensual. Is it possible for a relationship with -no- terms to satisfy the terms Safe and Sane? And if it does not satisfy Sane, then it is possible to satisfy Consensual?

I guess I just really feel that the realm of "no limits, no terms" is one for fictional fantasy and for truly dangerous, unhealthy relationships. I hate to sound judgmental toward the kettle, particularly as my own pot is most certainly a mighty dark shade, but does anyone here honestly think that -no- limits is ever a good idea?