Quote Originally Posted by TomOfSweden View Post
Like drag kings you mean? I know a couple where both identify themselves as male but they've got a daughter together. One of them has a beard at the same time as undeniably being physically a woman. Even I find that confusing.
Oh, I know about drag kings. It's just that none of them that I've heard from or about do that because they get sexual arousal from wearing those clothes. They generally have other reasons - some are like the inverse of drag queens, doing it as a performance, and others use the term "drag king" but have something more in the way of identity. What I'm trying to say is that drag kings aren't being drag kings because wearing briefs turns them on. So far as I know.

Risking to change the subject here. I don't like the polarising effect feminism has a tendency to have. Just because we've all seen stupid ass feminists in the media waffling on about retarded clap-trap doesn't mean their theories they base their stuff on is wrong. There's lots of feminist thinkers who are pretty solid. All the famous ones I've read I think are. And being a woman in every country in the entire world sucks economically more than being a man. Women have always had less options than men in life. This is hard to argue with, so "radical second-wave feminists" do always have a point, no matter how stupid their conclusions may be.
Hey, I'm no enemy of feminism. I'm proud to call myself feminist. I was just referring to some of the... less-in-touch-with-reality strains of thought found in certain areas of second-wave feminism. Things like lesbian separatism, or "BDSM recreates partriarchal power structures and is therefore sexist and unacceptable even in lesbian relationships", or "transsexuals are really just men trying to infiltrate women's spaces". Or, well, "gender is an artificial social construction, and if it weren't for cultural programming we wouldn't have gender identities, just anatomical differences". Y'know, I actually believed fairly strongly in that last one before I realized that I was a girl despite my anatomy. (Yes, I was thinking about gender theory when my age was still measured in single digits. I was kind of a precocious kid in some ways.)