Out of body religious experiences

[John56{vg}]

My friend Rhabbi,

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you are saying and you put it VERY well, thank you for your insights.

Tom,

Madelynn Murray O'Hare was THE evangelist for political atheism in this country. IMHO, she wanted to make Atheism the official religion of this country, just like Robertson, andFalwell, and their ilk want to make fundamentalist Christianity the official religion of the U.S.

Fundamentalists of any stripe seem to me to show extreme doubt in their own beliefs. They don't seem to be able to justify their own beliefs unless everybody in the world believes exactly as they do.


And in regards to Dawkins, he is as much an evangelist as Falwell and Robertson. I read a debate between him and an evangelical Scientist (Gosh I wish I could remember this guys name, I respected him so much). Dawkins sounded like the nutcase and this scientist was very calm and made his points with debatable points and not with dogma.

Rhabbi is right, until the fundamentalists took over the muslim world, the muslims were the premier thinkers and techers and scientists of the world. The Christians were in the dark ages and somewhat becasue of organized religious thinking. The monks though kept the knowledge alive during this time.

The truth is there is not ONE way of thinking or believing. Science needs faith and faith need science. IT is when one or the to other forgets this that we get into trouble, I think.

I AM some random dude, but random dudes have created a lot of great thought and discoveries. And saying that yourgreat learned scientists know the answers, is JUST like saying the Pope is infallible, and that the Bible, or the Koran or The Secret is the only book to show you the way.