...i am not trying to be inflammatory here but when you say that you will talk to your daughter about sex to ensure that she is safe at 'about the aforementioned age' (sorry, i am technically useless and have no idea how to take bits from other messages to quote them!), what if when she decides she wants sex is in fact NOT at the aforementioned age that you (and indeed the majority) consider 'right'? Surely that is the point, that as adults we intend to do lots of things by the book but that in reality kids are increasingly aware of their sexuality and just won't toe the lines that adults set for them, henceforth our ideals regarding do's and don'ts of parenthood have to be re'looked at. Is this making any sense?