...with you TG, of course people should talk openly and frankly to their children about sex, i was just suggesting that sometimes kids don't always fit into to neat little boxes as in "when I am this age I will be 15/16 and ready to discuss sex with my parents", sadly we sometimes have to play it by ear and shift our moral code to some degree as we go and if that means discussing it at an earlier age, despite the fact that we don't think they are at quite the right age then surely so be it.