I do understand the expression "think of England" - I assumed you were talking about spanking as a punishment and for he and I it is always a pleasure. That's why England is the last thing on my mind during a spanking!

And yes, Sir_Russell, you are absolutely right. Using something for both pleasure and punishment kind of negates the whole punishment aspect, doesn't it? It seems to me that type of confusion would only encourage misbehavior on the sub's part rather than discourage it.