Quote Originally Posted by js207 View Post
Now try with less exaggerated estimates (or tell me why you think I, or anyone else, should take your 'American University' figures over the IPCC's; I suspect their only appeal is that they make for a nastier Doomsday scenario for those of a Chicken Little persuasion) and factoring in at least a token effort at mitigation over the next century: it beggars belief for you to assert the Dutch will simply sit on their hands until they drown or get displaced! Say, a 30cm rise, with a 30cm increase in sea wall height ... oops, bang goes your disaster movie.


1. Not a film producer. But remember that 12.5% of Holland is already below sea level - some of it 20 feet below sea level (I've checked my figures). So if existing sea defences are breached by even half a centimetre for any significant time, the consequences could be profound.

2. Do what you like with American University's data, it's your university - you'll know what its academic standards are like better than I would.

3. The estimates I gave in my last post were based on a 1 metre rise. I cannot vouch for their accuracy, and I can find no data on a smaller rise.

I did point out that the predicted population shifts paid no attention to existing sea defences, let alone future ones. But Holland is already pushing its luck and has been flooded several times where existing defences were breached. There's a limit to what can be done, and the North Sea is not a calm lake - it's a wild sea.

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Your "misdirections" really aren't a positive contribution to anything. Nor is flapping about what might theoretically happen a few thousand years from now, since none of us will ever know that or be affected by it in any way! If reality and plausibility don't fit your scenario, it's pretty clear that one of them is defective and needs to be revised
Whatever.

So far as I'm aware, no-one here is an expert on global warming (or cooling). So we use the opinions and data we come across that we feel support our arguments. I do - you do - Ozme does - we all do. Those figures have all been put in the public domain by people who (should) know better than us, and we are entitled to rely on them until they are proved wrong.

And we can be fairly certain about what will happen in a few thousand years by what has happened before. Whether that's relevant or not is a moot point.

But my mistakes are mine, and I acknowledge them when I make them.

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tired.of.vanilla: So yes, stopping polution and the rape of natural resourses is good, and we need to do it. It's only respectful and right. But will that make a difference...not to the warming of the earth no. We can either adjust as a race, or we can die.
This is all I'm trying to say: why does everyone over there prefer to die rather than co-operate?

TYWD