Interesting train of thought here, in my case I have met a very passionate young lady in an on line chat room,we have been happy chatting nightly now for going on 3 months now, she had said couple times she was a submissive! Ok, my response was, BTW a little background on myself. I am professional retired military senior NCO of 32 years, the ultimated Dom, really into discipline, she has put me into these sites as a learning tool, our on line relationship is even better now. we will meet sometime, yup she turned me from the "nilla" world to B&D, oh yes, we are a May/December couple, with a high level of trust and honesty now. I would like to thank you all for the learning experience. SeaDog