Living A Sugarcoated Lifestyle?

[Brosco]

I have insulted no one until now because you are not worth the effort to insult.

LOL... well done... an insult that can be denied.... now be a good little Dom... if you want to insult me, simply email me directly at:
tau@grapevine.com.au


but please keep your crap off this forum, your lack of knowledge is very damaging to newbies

Brosco

[bunkerchief]

but please keep your crap of this forum, your lack of knowledge is very damaging to newbies

Brosco

Aah so you are grooming the newbies and worried that I would upset that grooming. If they are really into BDSM then grooming is not required and exposure to a little hard edged thinking should be a welcome plus to their education.

[Aesop]

Well I was going to respond to each post in turn but don't have the time right now but I think my post has been vindicated by the amount of thought and detail of the replies. The post was deliberately provocative for that reason.

It makes for a far more interesting board when there are provocative and thought provoking posts than just slapping the back of the person who had just posted.

Actually the experience I talk about started 16 years ago and though we are not a pair any more we do still get together and play, such is the intensity of our mutual experience.

Should you read your replies then you will see my conclusion is right and that BDSM for the most part is an ersatz experience. I never said that was a bad or a good thing, I merely made the satement that that was the nature of it.

So your post was provacative for a reason. Well then you must be happy with yourself because you have provoked us. Good for you bunkerchief. Sadly though as I read through our responses I still don't see your conclusion as right. Calling BDSM an ersatz experience is calling it a substitute or imitation. Again I have to ask (which I see you never did reply to) an imitation of what?

That was just Aesop posting. The rest is the supermod.

Keep your personal insults off the board bunkerchief. Disagreement is allowed and even encouraged here, but I will not have the disagreements degenerate into flames.

Brosco: Keep a cooler head my friend. I don't want to call out the mod guns on you either.

[bunkerchief]

So your post was provacative for a reason. Well then you must be happy with yourself because you have provoked us. Good for you bunkerchief. Sadly though as I read through our responses I still don't see your conclusion as right. Calling BDSM an ersatz experience is calling it a substitute or imitation. Again I have to ask (which I see you never did reply to) an imitation of what?

That was just Aesop posting. The rest is the supermod.

Keep your personal insults off the board bunkerchief. Disagreement is allowed and even encouraged here, but I will not have the disagreements degenerate into flames.

Brosco: Keep a cooler head my friend. I don't want to call out the mod guns on you either.

BDSM. Bondage, domination, sadism, masochism. By implication these terms do not involve consent, hence I assume the reason for the original post. The very fact that we consent to these activities make them ersatz as opposed to the genuine activities and hence an imitation of the real thing. As I have pointed out, I was neutral on saying this was a good or bad thing but merely made a statement. If everyone has to agree with the each others perception of the world, why have a forum where such things can be discussed?

As for insults, I haven't made any or only an implied insult in response to an insult being thrown at me several times.

[Aesop]

BDSM. Bondage, domination, sadism, masochism. By implication these terms do not involve consent, hence I assume the reason for the original post. The very fact that we consent to these activities make them ersatz as opposed to the genuine activities and hence an imitation of the real thing. As I have pointed out, I was neutral on saying this was a good or bad thing but merely made a statement. If everyone has to agree with the each others perception of the world, why have a forum where such things can be discussed?

As for insults, I haven't made any or only an implied insult in response to an insult being thrown at me several times.

Bondage: Being tied up or restrained. Yep I do that to her. Sadism:Taking pleasure in inflicting pain upon another person. Yep I enjoy inflicting pain on her. Masochism: Taking pleasure in having pain inflicted upon oneself. Yep she enjoys it as much (if not more) than I do. Domination is perhaps the only one that is open to debate because she does initially agree to give up the control. But once the decision is made the control belongs to me and I use it for my pleasure so I don't know that I can call that false or an imitation.

No insults eh? Shoddy thinking ring a bell? Leave the insults out of it. This is your last warning.

[bunkerchief]

Bondage: Being tied up or restrained. Yep I do that to her. Sadism:Taking pleasure in inflicting pain upon another person. Yep I enjoy inflicting pain on her. Masochism: Taking pleasure in having pain inflicted upon oneself. Yep she enjoys it as much (if not more) than I do. Domination is perhaps the only one that is open to debate because she does initially agree to give up the control. But once the decision is made the control belongs to me and I use it for my pleasure so I don't know that I can call that false or an imitation.

While the three activities you mention are all physical and hence one does or not do them, certainly most people I know in BDSM part take in these activities with a consenting partner as a substitute for (in their fantasies at least) of doing them without a consenting partner. The woman I tie up and gag and many of her friends who enjoy similar, say it is an activity they fantasize about and wouldn't like it to happen to them for 'real'. Hence why I described such activities as ersatz.

I readily accept that is not the whole picture. My interest in shibari is as much to do with my interest in the craft and its aesthetics and while the process has the affect of giving my sub a high, there is one part of my liking for bondage (in my fantasy at least) to tie up an unwilling woman as is the fantasy of my sub to be tied up by a malicious male.

[Aesop]

Hmm...not bad points, but for one thing not all of us desire unwilling partners. I get off on knowing that she wants it. When I tell her to do some humiliating thing and on top it looks like she is suffering, but underneath I can see her enjoyment it gives me pleasure.

Secondly what you are talking about seems to me to be the difference between reality and fantasy. Sure I've fantasized about non-consensual activities, but that's not BDSM, that's a rape fantasy or a kidnapping fantasy and I don't associate my fantasies with my real life. When I'm in a situation with a real person my mind and body are there with the person, not off in a fantasy world, so I can't really compare the two as being one from the other.

[Brosco]

My interest in shibari is as much to do with my interest in the craft and its aesthetics and while the process has the affect of giving my sub a high, there is one part of my liking for bondage (in my fantasy at least) to tie up an unwilling woman as is the fantasy of my sub to be tied up by a malicious male.

Please correct me if I am mistaken, but from my understanding Shibari requires a willing victim or it would be very 'messy' on a struggling victim. Didn't you suggest that consent was not one of your ideals?

[Brosco]

Brosco: Keep a cooler head my friend. I don't want to call out the mod guns on you either.

smiles... i do sincerely apologise... i knew i was pushing it, but i couldn't help myself. I promise, i will leave this to others, no matter how much it riles me.

Brosco

[Brosco]

Aah so you are grooming the newbies and worried that I would upset that grooming. If they are really into BDSM then grooming is not required and exposure to a little hard edged thinking should be a welcome plus to their education.

again you show your ignorance.

Yes I have been a mentor to a few subbies (do you know what a mentor is?)

I agree that newbies should be made aware of all extremes... and it is not for me to make their decision for them. A mentor (or a person posting in a 'Knowledge Base' thread) describes or displays options - not describes his One-True-Way. You see, this is where the objection is - not what your (pathetic) tastes are - but you want to impose your beliefs on all others. You state your values as fact ... sorry buddy .... it aint true.