Ultra-Conservative

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I will not get off Bushes back. He may not be solely responsible for the downturn of the American economy, but he is solely responsible for the many men and women who have died or been disabled for an illogical and unfounded mission.

Just because I (or anyone else) am not in line with him, does not make me a terrorist, or dance in the streets, doesn't make me hate him, nor does it make me unpatriotic.

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I will not get off Bushes back. He may not be solely responsible for the downturn of the American economy, but he is solely responsible for the many men and women who have died or been disabled for an illogical and unfounded mission.

Just because I (or anyone else) am not in line with him, does not make me a terrorist, or dance in the streets, doesn't make me hate him, nor does it make me unpatriotic.

You are 100% correct in how you feel IDC and I was incorrect for telling mke to get off Bush's back. We have a right to criticize the President and I would have it no other way. My purpose for debating so strongly the points I have argued is that I have some very strong principles in which I need to express.

I have read the treads of a few others that have the same principles but seem to prefer not to share them fully and completely with this forum. I think they might feel somewhat intimidated from the ferociousness's of the rhetoric of the Liberal position on these threads.

Both Liberals and Conservatives are free to criticize each other but the name calling, disrespect for our elected officials, and the continual "gatch ye" game is extreme in politics. Of course, you know by now that I see politics from the conservative point of view. That's one reason I find it amusing to watch Hillary and Obama go at each other using their Liberal attack tricks on each other. Either Obama was caught red handed sending a message to Canadian officials that Obama wasn't serious about NAFTA or Hillary set him up. Either way this one thing coming the day before the election is all over the news and could determine the outcome. Obama is in great protest and Hillary is making the most out of it.

The Liberal Democrats knew President Bush did nothing improper in not showing up at his military post but that didn't stop Dan Rather from releasing papers with lies about George Bush's record, all written with type that wasn't invented when the violations were suppose to have occurred. Just out and out lies have not stopped. It was the New York Times with the General "be-trays" thing, and the John McCain alleged romance, and on an on.

It is a rare thing of the political left to ever own up to the fact that they cannot tell the truth. They don't say much but most Democrats do not like the Party to use these tactics. Many Democrats just think and then vote.

I knew if conservative voices were to participate here we would have to ignore all the Bush bashing or step up to the plate and play the game. Isn't it more interesting to get a glimpse of how the right counters the left.

One more thing. Our government is a Democratic-Republic with a constitutional form of government. When Al Gore gave up his fight in Fl., he knew we were a country of law. It is the willingness of the people to obey the law that keeps our country free. It protects us from the power seeker from taking over and ruling. What Gore was saying was that the will of the people was being serve although he lost.

That's the only difference between the USA and Russia. Russia does not accept the people's vote because they ignore their constitution. That is why both Democrats and Republicans should respect the President if not the man.

Have a good election day.

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Many Democrats just think and then vote.

Perhaps everyone should do this? Maybe we wouldn't elect someone with a personal agenda to office next time.

the only difference between the USA and Russia. Russia does not accept the people's vote because they ignore their constitution.

Would love for you to cite a factual example of this, since it actually pertains to the topic.

That is why both Democrats and Republicans should respect the President if not the man.

I guess you haven't noticed the laws bush pushed aside (4th amendment).

Nope, I can't respect the man, only the position he is in. As that is a lawful requirement for me. Then again, perhaps since I don't align with the democrat or republican party your statement doesn't apply to me.

Perhaps next time you could stay on topic?

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ICD: ... do ultra-conservative political regimes all have the potential to create fascist types of environments?

IMO all political regimes have that potential - even Britain's, where we have become surveillance-mad. We face the introduction of ID cards in peacetime, we are under constant surveillance by CCTV almost at the level George Orwell described in "1984" (the only difference is there are no cameras in private dwellings ... at least, not ordinarily so). England (not UK) already has the largest database of citizens' DNA in the world, and once you're on it, you stay there (it's intended to help fight crime), but it's 100% certain it'll be used for other things. You DNA goes on it if you're arrested for all but the most minor crimes - the non-recordable ones, and it stays there even if you're never convicted: even if you're never formally charged.

Is it for our own good? If I have nothing to hide, should I be worried?

Our Government is nominally left-wing, being controlled by the Labour Party. However, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown dropped the socia1ist policies espoused by this movement and moved "New Labour" to the right of our free-enterprise party, the Conservatives (Maggie Thatcher's party - you remember her? ... Gengis Khan re-incarnate). Under this government Britain has become one of the most "watched" countries in the world. How the Stasi would've envied what we have here!

So, I think this demonstrates the potential for any government to go off the rails. Meanwhile, what shall I do? Go to Canada? It has its appeal.


Socia1ism = communism? I regard myself as having socia1ist leanings, but I'm not a communist. I believe in help for the destitute, in pensions for the old, in free health-care, and I will gladly pay taxzes to bring this about. I don't see why USA should be apprehensive about becoming a more caring society, either. Certainly, USA can afford social welfare schemes more easily than any other nation.

Yes, I often think we Brits, as a nation of self-made men, do everything right and the rest of the world gets it wrong. That lifts a huge burden of responsibility off the shoulders of God! Jingoism is an easy trap to fall into. While it's limited to flag-waving and tub-thumping, perhaps there's no harm. But give it its head, and it's another step towards fascism.

There but for the grace of God ...

Insulting Bush ... count me in! (We used to have a regular satirical tv sketch over here, "The President's Brain is Missing". It was aimed at Reagan. Bush makes Reagan look good!)

TYWD

Final thought, You can't blame Bush for the economy. It's a world-wide depression. It happens every 7 years or so. Sometimes they are deeper than others. There's probably another cycle that determines how often the really deep ones occur. All Bush can do, if he's able, is to ameliorate the effects to some small extent or other.

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Is anyone heree firmilar with the History of the Jews during their Exodux from Egypt?? yes this has to do withthe thread buti f no one is firiliar with it whati was going to post would be similar to Bush's 8 years in office, relatively pointless??

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i know one story in thenew a few month back, 4 senetators 2 rebulican and 2 democrats decideed to check the"system out" they livedo n Socialk Security for 1 motn, and intrstnig enoughthey found when they shopped for food they had to acutaly open aloaf of brd to see how many sandwiches they could make once they founf food they could adford to make them wth

let us have EVERY Senator and rEpresentative live on this income 1 month, my guess is people lie me will see more income, whe nyou earn $125,00+ or as i said $150,000 you cannot imagine what living on $1,000 a month is like, i think after that test they ran they realizethat, my only question now is will they work to change things or leave them as they are??

byw my cost of living increase for 2008 was $19.86 or 2.3% much and well belowe the cost of living and rumor had it that in 2009 i wil only get 1.8-2.1%

mm that is just excellent. That should be implemented in more countries than the US.
I am pretty darn sure that lots of politicians would get more "down to earth" and understand what is happening to the grassroots then.

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mm that is just excellent. That should be implemented in more countries than the US.
I am pretty darn sure that lots of politicians would get more "down to earth" and understand what is happening to the grassroots then.

I hope so i have never in my life had a hard a time making ends meet on my disbabiltiy check as i have the last 2-3 and evey year my cost of livingincrease goes down % wise and mony wise