Quote Originally Posted by Warbaby1943 View Post
The meaning of freedom changes every day because we lose so many of them it is sad. I hate to think what it will mean 50 years from now as I remember that past 50 years and how many of our rights and freedoms we have lost over that time. Think of what you are going to lose when we all must have secure IDs. Scary and I shudder to even think of it.
Though we don't tend to agree on much, we do agree on this. As old farts, we've watched our rights eroded away. If we paid attention to our parents, we know it's even worse than we've seen for ourselves.

Quote Originally Posted by TomOfSweden View Post
Somebody with nothing left to lose.
Yes, but this is traditionally the answer for someone who is finally free to revolt against his oppressors. Has it come to that? I don't feel it yet... but then... I wonder if my grandparents ever came to that conclusion or if they still thought there was hope... you know... just before the Nazi's hauled them off.

For me... freedom is the right to choose for myself so long as my choices don't cause harm to others.

That's a broad statement and begs the question, who decides what causes harm to others. Even that's difficult because of cultural differences... something as simple as the age of consent differs between most of the USA and Britain for example.

Take up with a 16 year old in Britain (as I understand it) and you are involved in an adult relationship. If your company transfers you to the USA and she moves with you, you're a pedophile.