to get back off topic and onto Ambers - the thought of a Dominant being submissive is horribly foreign to me, as it would be for me to consider myself Dominating anyone. I do understand them 'testing' things so they know the feelings and sensations they physically inflict, but pshychologically, i can't see it really - otherwise wouldn't it tend to make them more sub than Dom? I've met and talked with many Dominants that understand the deep emotional and pshychological journey they take their submissives on through their care and training. They understand that they can unleash some beasts in her. Some good, and some very bad demons get brought to the surface in particularly intense sessions and a Dominant who is in touch with that may very well have submissive training to better understand her to an extent and what he may face in dealing with her but in no way is submissive themselves, just aware and therefore a better Dominant - maybe that is some of the premise in the 'old school' training theory

just a thought *s* (hopefully it makes sense lol)