Iraqis still ask if U.S. invasion was worth it

[mkemse]

And if Al Quida was in fact "hiding out" in Iraq before we invaded, as much distrust and dislike as Saddam had or Al Quida he would have had them rooted out by his military
Saddams main Terrorists intrestes were support those who wanted to attack Israel he supported Hamas, Hezbola (excuse me if my spelling is wrong on their names) and similar organizations who main enemey was Israel and their destruction

[wmrs2]

Let's say that all these things that John56 and mkemse say about President Bush are true and exactly like they infer these things to be. We are still left with a national problem that must be dealt with. My statement about Obama saying he would send the troops into Iraq was complimentary towards him. It took a lot of courage for him to admit that he would handle the war in the same manner as President Bush has. Our war is not with Iraq but with Al Quiede. It bothered me a lot to think that America would elect a President that would not defend our national interest. After hearing Obama state his real position on the war, I figured it would not be the end of the world if Obama won the election in 2008.

Patriots need to do the best we can to make things easier for Obama, if and when he is elected. We do not need to prolong the war, witness more of our precious youth wasted on the battle fields, and see our economy wreaked; weakening the support for our army is not the answer. Do you think our enemies enjoy the arguments between the Democrats and Republicans over the war? Is it to their advantage to see this contention among our citizens. Long after Bush is gone, we are still going to be forced to fight Al Queada. I urge all Americans to put the past in the past. Bush can not be re-elected and he can't hurt you anymore.

[mkemse]

Let's say that all these things that John56 and mkemse say about President Bush are true and exactly like they infer these things to be. We are still left with a national problem that must be dealt with. My statement about Obama saying he would send the troops into Iraq was complimentary towards him. It took a lot of courage for him to admit that he would handle the war in the same manner as President Bush has. Our war is not with Iraq but with Al Quiede. It bothered me a lot to think that America would elect a President that would not defend our national interest. After hearing Obama state his real position on the war, I figured it would not be the end of the world if Obama won the election in 2008.

Patriots need to do the best we can to make things easier for Obama, if and when he is elected. We do not need to prolong the war, witness more of our precious youth wasted on the battle fields, and see our economy wreaked; weakening the support for our army is not the answer. Do you think our enemies enjoy the arguments between the Democrats and Republicans over the war? Is it to their advantage to see this contention among our citizens. Long after Bush is gone, we are still going to be forced to fight Al Queada. I urge all Americans to put the past in the past. Bush can not be re-elected and he can't hurt you anymore.

Obamas statement right noe is hypothectical for 2 reasons

Obama has not been elected Prseident and 2 we have no KNOWN plan to invade Iran,
I am not as concerd about Iran as Iraq becaue within the last 2 weeks even Russian Prime Minster Putin told Iran to stop wha they were doing and Russia and Iran are allies, Putin told Iran to stop it's nuculear enrichment program

We are in Iraq we are not in Iran

Our War in Iraq turned into a war with Al Quisa, because they arrived in Iraq after we did, the war in Iraq id not longer a Military War, it can not and will not be won Militarily, Iraq needs all i's Religiou Factions to Unify behin 1 governement, and untillthat happens the War could go no for years
It is a Civil War not a Military War now

Yes I give Obmam credit fo his remarks, but i also feel he would use factual doumented evdicende befroe we went in ans would make 100% sure his efifdence was actualy and not "Faulty" he would demans and righlty so acutaly evidence that we need to go in and make sure it was verfied, he would also go in knowing who are eniies was there, how strong they are andwhat we would need to do to defeat them which BUSH has not done

[Moonraker]

And if Al Quida was in fact "hiding out" in Iraq before we invaded, as much distrust and dislike as Saddam had or Al Quida he would have had them rooted out by his military
Saddams main Terrorists intrestes were support those who wanted to attack Israel he supported Hamas, Hezbola (excuse me if my spelling is wrong on their names) and similar organizations who main enemey was Israel and their destruction

There is an arabic proverb "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Given that the US is seen by many Iraqis to be an enemy it's no surprise Iraq is now a fertile recruiting field for Al Qaeda.

Saddam would never support Al Qaeda for the simple reason it promotes theocracy which would threaten Saddam's position as a secular leader.

[mkemse]

There is an arabic proverb "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Given that the US is seen by many Iraqis to be an enemy it's no surprise Iraq is now a fertile recruiting field for Al Qaeda.

Saddam would never support Al Qaeda for the simple reason it promotes theocracy which would threaten Saddam's position as a secular leader.

Thank you, that is why I posted to remark from an article on the Web, the "Aledged" links to Al Quida is just one of many reasons Bush used to invade Iraq and that as well as the supposed WMD's which were proven not to exist either, again a case of "Faulty Intelligence" and when you go to War you need to know who your enemey is and what thieir strengths and weakness are to fight a succefull War you do not invade a country on assumption you invade if you do based on documented fact, and most important you MUST verify your Intelliegence, not just assume it is correct, you have to know it is

"Well, they looked like portable weapons labs, so we assumed they were" not real good logic there

"Hey, it looks like rain or snow is comnig" well let's see if it does before we send salt rucks out and as the sky'sa get darker and snow starts to fluury down, then you start the salting, because then you know it is going to snow

And there are some who have said Bush would have ised any excuse in the world to Invade Iraq once he had his ind set on doing so whic he did, History now speaks for itself

[Moonraker]

Thank you, that is why I posted to remark from an article on the Web, the "Aledged" links to Al Quida is just one of many reasons Bush used to invade Iraq and that as well as the supposed WMD's which were proven not to exist either, again a case of "Faulty Intelligence" and when you go to War you need to know who your enemey is and what thieir strengths and weakness are to fight a succefull War you do not invade a country on assumption you invade if you do based on documented fact, and most important you MUST verify your Intelliegence, not just assume it is correct, you have to know it is

I am not disagreeing with you merely supporting your view. Everybody agrees that political decisions should be based on the available intelligence and that in this case the decision had already been made (according to reports well before 911) and intelligence was manipulated to justify that decision. Cart before horse if you will.

In the UK it was the same (coincidence we ask) we had the "Dodgy Dossier" which built the case for war on dubious facts and outright lies such that intelligence officers refused to put their names to it and one even commited suicide as a result. (sceptics think how convenient for the government)

[mkemse]

I am not disagreeing with you merely supporting your view. Everybody agrees that political decisions should be based on the available intelligence and that in this case the decision had already been made (according to reports well before 911) and intelligence was manipulated to justify that decision. Cart before horse if you will.

In the UK it was the same (coincidence we ask) we had the "Dodgy Dossier" which built the case for war on dubious facts and outright lies such that intelligence officers refused to put their names to it and one even commited suicide as a result. (sceptics think how convenient for the government)

thanks