Without going through all posts to find all the quotes I need, I would like to summarize a little here. Oz, I can understand and accept that you believe that you need more. I would never try to convince you (or anyone else) that another can get all they need from an online relationship. My disagreement with you is that in several places you have taken your beliefs about yourself and stated them as fact for others. I have clearly stated that online is not for everyone, but attempted to explain how online is giving fantasssy and I all we need.

Quote Originally Posted by Ozme52
We are human animals. Evolved to be social. The need to see, hear, and foremost, to touch, is bred into our bones. All of the inventions throughout the ages, which have facillitated communications, have not, can not, imo, replace human contact.

That's all I'm saying.

And I'm not belittling the other. I'm here afterall. A committed online participant. But I recognize I need more.
I disagree with you on this. If I take your argument to its logical conclusion you are suggesting that a blind or deaf person is unable to have as satisfying a relationship as yourself. If you have ever had any dealings with a person who has lost one of their primary senses you quickly realise that their other senses have increased in capacity, the loss in one area is fully compensated by the other.

I remember when fantassy and I just started talking she stated to me that in just a few days she shared more with me about her most personal thoughts than she did with her ex in 8 years! I also stated in an earlier post that being online has helped me understand much more of my own and a subbie's mindset than I did in years of r/l. I am loving the things that I am learning about the power of the mind, and I know that if I moved to a r/l relationship I would slip into old habits and be distracted by the physical presence. I am not prepared to stop my learning at this stage, it is way too exciting and stimulating.

And while I am not attempting to answer for fantassy,

Even if you don't believe you would connect on a long term basis... wouldn't you like to, just once, shake his hand, maybe give him a hug...

...and feel his breath on your earlobe as he whispered "cum for me."
I would suggest that being online is a major factor in contributing to our successes with O-control. We are both very relaxed and enjoy where we are and have opened our mind to fully taking advantage of our newfound skills. If either of us spent our time bemoaning what we can't have, we would be diminishing our capability to enjoy an exciting experience.

Brosco