Would You Believe Police say Austrian man raped daughter, fathered 6 children--merged

[Thorne]

I agree, Rubberwolf: that is an interesting point.

There's another thread here where we take note of the fact that the House of Lords regards S/M acts as illegal, and we should all realise we are walking a thin line.

Speaking as Devil's Advocate for just a moment, what's the difference between a father imprisoning and abusing his daughter, and a Dom imprisoning his sub, and abusing her. I could suggest some answers, but I'll leave that to others (but, remember, you cannot confer legality upon an illegal act - such as false imprisonment, or incest - by consenting to it.)

Incest I'll leave alone. Lot's of biological reasons for banning that, or at least procreation through incest. Though in this day and age, consensual incest, say between brother and sister or even between father and adult daughter (or mother and adult son) for purely recreational purposes maybe should be acceptable.

But as for a Dom/sub relationship, can it be false imprisonment if the sub consents? What if she had a safeword, affording her the option to terminate her "imprisonment" whenever she feels threatened? And is it abuse if the sub invites it? And what about sex while in bondage? Can that be considered rape, even though the sub consents to it?

No, I think we need to keep the government, and especially the church (any church) out of our bedrooms/dungeons. As long as a relationship is between two consenting adults, with no real harm to anyone, it's nobody else's business.

[fetishdj]

But as for a Dom/sub relationship, can it be false imprisonment if the sub consents? What if she had a safeword, affording her the option to terminate her "imprisonment" whenever she feels threatened? And is it abuse if the sub invites it? And what about sex while in bondage? Can that be considered rape, even though the sub consents to it?

Legally it is impossible to consent to any action which is potentially harmful unless the action is being performed by a medical professional and you sign the correct consent forms (and the medical action in question is approved by the local ethics committee and the government bodies responsible for medical practise). So, yes, it would be considered rape/abuse/sexual assault (depending on the action) even if the Dom has signed and witnessed consent forms. Its a bad thing for us because it makes much of what we do illegal but the law is there for a good reason - to protect victims of domestic abuse.