however much many may wish to debate the supernatural ,,thats the place where religion and philosophy differ, an even thinner line by some peoples standards, belief vs knowledge is a long time delima, moral perptitude and belief systems based in faith of supernatural kind are linked from the beginnings of human history as far as we can tell arceologically speaking, it wasnt until quiet recently that humanity has begun to accept a completely self motivated morality system, though in actual practice, what we say and do is just as important as what we think about doing and or as we do,,as far as a hindge upon which to swing, preferability is in the eye of the beholder, perspective is a very important aspect conserning the desireablility of one moral system vs another, for instance some may say my comments are adversarial, while others may precive them as conciliatory,