Quote Originally Posted by Ozme52 View Post

Level 4 is interesting. I argue elsewhere that there are sub-centric D/s relationships and dom-centric D/s relationships. And that sub-centric orientations are deadly to the health of a D/s relationship. In fact, it's D/s turned upside down, where the sub actually ends up in control despite the 'trappings' that make it look like the dom is in control. If one agrees with my perspective, then level 4 has no place in a D/s relationship. And why would you want to develop the leadership (read domming) skills of your sub?
Understood, Oz. However, i do need leadership (domming) skills as well. i run a household. i am in charge of the kid, and the critters. Master oversees what i run. He gives me a list of what He wants done and i get it done...we get it done-me n my "crew" LOL. My parenting skills are better than they were a year ago (partly because of more experience) and i attribute some of that to how much attention i pay to my leadership skills, or Domming skills that i've learned over the last few years. i believe that there is a fine line between leading and following...or Domming and subbing.

But, then you can always say that there is a huge difference as well....believe me, i KNOW how big the difference is.

Thanks, you've given much insight to me on both sides of the issue! Master may absorb some of it as well (gonna get it for that one, i'm sure). i really enjoy a friendly debate, when folks don't get all pissy, and you're good at that! LOL