i want to thank IDCrewDawg, Tojo and Ozme52 for their insight, my Master just left to go home after spending from yesterday at 4pm to today at 5pm together, we did a little shopping (wink) came home, played with our purchases, (big grin) then without safe word one, tested boundries and limits, and though my bottom is a little more red than usual, and i find it difficult to walk without saying "ouch", i believe he went home happy, proud and satisfied. So thank you so much! It worked, sometimes saying nothing speaks volumes.