MMI, To be honest...

I firmly believe that forceful tactics (i.e. torture, waterboarding, and the like) if applied under appropriate circumstances (a known terrorist has speciffic knowledge about a credible plan to destroy thousands of innocent non-combatants--American, British, or otherwise) should be used. In any religious, political or philosophical debate, you can't expect to change the other party's mind, you can only hope to give the spectating audience thoughts to ponder.

Again, to be honest, my opinion of the matter is still firm, but in retrospect of my original post, when I made the statement, "make it an extreme sport", I was attempting to sort out those who firmly oppose my standpoint to fire up a good debate, and my tactic was quite effective--I fired you up. I didn't know who would respond, but I knew someone would, and I knew that it would be a lively debate! I'm glad that it was you that responded, and now I know where you stand and what you are about, and you have likewise learned a bit about me. I respect your opinion, and I do not fault you for sinking to the same tactic that I initiated.

I must say, you are a formidable opponent, but you would make a much better ally! After all, we both are looking toward the same finish line, but only with different paths to get there.

However, stripey was an unintended casualty of war. I did not intend to have her wrapped up in this one. She has an extremely big heart, and tends to take things more personally--but only because she is personal, she gets eagerly involved and always tries to help, most of the time to her own detriment or heartache. This not a weakness, but a strength that she posesses. And all of this was a good exercise of her strength, and she has benefitted from this as well.

Now that we have beaten this argument to death, let's get back to why we are all here: EXPLORING and ENJOYING the BDSM lifestyle, right?!!!!!!!!!!!

For those of you that have been afraid to speak your mind on this matter, what's holding you back? MMI and I haven't concerned ourselves with others' judgments, and for that I hold MMI in high regard.

Touché, MMI!