We had an excellent discussion on this topic last year but it has fallen into the depths of this folder. Page 11 of topics I think its on these days since no one has added to it in a year.

I recommend it to anyone wanting to know what some "gorean" members here had to say as well as what non-goreans said on this topic.

Here is the direct link: http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8473

I would like to add that while Sir_Russell's posts bother me a great deal because I sense some intolerance with any beliefs other then his own. I do believe I understand the circumstances which has caused him to feel that way as it relates to some gorean "Masters".

I also do not agree with "abuse" towards any other person, gorean slave or not. Sadly there are people out there that do not treat women the way I would do it and I am sure Sir_Russell's and my own perspective on this is not that far apart.

I think the gist of the problem is that most real Masters have honor, pride, and skills while others that call themselves "Master" just want a piece of ass to order around without having to accept the huge responsibility that goes with having a human possession in your care.

Many wannabe doms use the gorean lifestyle as cover for their lack of knowledge and ability. Which in turn hurts us all by the association since we wear the label "gorean" and many people just never bother to look pass the label to see us as the people we really are.

I don't want to launch into a rehash of what we said a year ago I will just recommend everyone to go read it for themselves.