Question bout Female Submissive

[Tojo]

Thanks for clearing that up MC. Makes perfect sense now.


Tojo

(Guys this 'most helpful' thing is downright embarrassing!)

[Aesop]

(Guys this 'most helpful' thing is downright embarrassing!)

Hey man, you won the vote. Take pride in your smiley.

I now return you to the topic at hand....

[Ozme52]

In the over 30 years I have been envovled with BDSM I have found some things common amoung the groups I was with. One is that both the subs and slaves chose who is to Dom them. If is going to last there is a period of coutship if you will so they can become more aware of each other. During this period limits are discussed and agreed upon. The slaves I have knowen all said they would do anything their Dom/Domms asked of them they trusted them that much. I do admitt the almost all were husband and wife also. And the Dom/Domme had their owen limits. As far as safety is concerned it is called safe and sane play. And I agree that the issuse here is not my deffintion of slavery but rather his inability to accept his subs answer of NO. And I too am qiute concerned that he does not know what ind of animals nor how many there are. I am a firm believer in NO MEANS NO.

You name them slaves because they fit within the bounds of your definition... and if they don't, they aren't slaves. So you've assigned a meaning to the word and catagorize your subs based on whether they fit the meaning. Your "defense" uses the definition as proof... That would be disallowed in a debate or logic challenge.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree, because if we can't agree upon the meaning of the word (and state of mind,) we really can't discuss it without being at cross-purposes.

However...

We're saying... I'm saying... that many subs would classify themselves as slaves though they may not fit within the bounds of your definition. Therefore, your definition would exclude them from the happiness their feeling of slavery brings them because you would not accept them as being slaves.

I object to that as much as I did proposed definitions of Master/Dom/Top that, by definition, "excluded" me from the lifestyle...

I hope that all makes sense.... it's late and my ears are still buzzing from my 6 hour motorcycle ride.

[submissivewife]

However...

We're saying... I'm saying... that many subs would classify themselves as slaves though they may not fit within the bounds of your definition. Therefore, your definition would exclude them from the happiness their feeling of slavery brings them because you would not accept them as being slaves.

I object to that as much as I did proposed definitions of Master/Dom/Top that, by definition, "excluded" me from the lifestyle...

I hope that all makes sense.... it's late and my ears are still buzzing from my 6 hour motorcycle ride.

See, this is what I mean..I identify myself as more slave than submissive...many wouldn't call me a slave because I still will have hard limits that I will not do under any circumstances....but I feel my mind set is more slave even with hard limits......(does that make sense?)

[maddie]

Just jumping on the bandwagon here: Contracts between D and s are set up for a reason. Everybody involved knows what's fair game and what's not up front. I suspect Tojo is right (as usual) about John62 being bored; either that or he's not taking the situation as seriously as he ought to be. That sort of stuff isn't done on a whim.

[Ozme52]

Just jumping on the bandwagon here: Contracts between D and s are set up for a reason. Everybody involved knows what's fair game and what's not up front. I suspect Tojo is right (as usual) about John62 being bored; either that or he's not taking the situation as seriously as he ought to be. That sort of stuff isn't done on a whim.

Tojo? Damn bastard gets credit for my great insights again. LOL

[Tojo]

Yeah Oz said the bit about being bored. I would never have said something so um...direct?

Bet my bike is faster than yours though Oz!

Tojo

[Ozme52]

Yeah Oz said the bit about being bored. I would never have said something so um...direct?

Bet my bike is faster than yours though Oz!

Tojo

Probably, I'm on a cruiser these days. I'm sure mine makes a better vibrator.

"Ladies! You hear that?"

[submissivewife]

Probably, I'm on a cruiser these days. I'm sure mine makes a better vibrator.

"Ladies! You hear that?"

[Tojo]

Probably, I'm on a cruiser these days. I'm sure mine makes a better vibrator.

"Ladies! You hear that?"

Well it depends whether you like high frequency vibration, or the more slow powerful type....

I guess it's a matter of preference?

Yeah I'm looking for the switch that'll turn my bike into a cruiser- I'm way too old to be going fast these days.

(isn't that what this thread was about?)

Tojo

[_ID_]

As far as safety is concerned it is called safe and sane play

I find it interesting you bring this up when we are talking about limits. I am going to start a new thread to discuss this. I hope its interesting.

V/R
ID

[playme]

I have a woman sub and she told me that she is absolutly not going to try anything that has to do with women or animals. ......
...... is there anyway i can get her to change her mind and to be open to that that dosent involve breaking her spirits. ...

As a sub personally I feel the only power I have is in setting the limitis within which I am comfortable. For a dom to exceed them is ultimate breech of trust, respct and once dom has crossed that line the whole inter workings between dom and sub changes into nothing above one person abusing another person.
She will change her mind only when and/or if ever she might ever lift that limit and decide for herself to give new adventure a try.

[Tojo]

Well put playme. Kind of says it all.

Back to topic....

subwife... Are motorbikes one of your hard or soft limits?

And what sort of speed limits do you have for them?

Tojo

[submissivewife]

Well put playme. Kind of says it all.

Back to topic....



And what sort of speed limits do you have for them?

Tojo

0 mph

(running faster)