Quote Originally Posted by Ozme52
However...

We're saying... I'm saying... that many subs would classify themselves as slaves though they may not fit within the bounds of your definition. Therefore, your definition would exclude them from the happiness their feeling of slavery brings them because you would not accept them as being slaves.

I object to that as much as I did proposed definitions of Master/Dom/Top that, by definition, "excluded" me from the lifestyle...

I hope that all makes sense.... it's late and my ears are still buzzing from my 6 hour motorcycle ride.
See, this is what I mean..I identify myself as more slave than submissive...many wouldn't call me a slave because I still will have hard limits that I will not do under any circumstances....but I feel my mind set is more slave even with hard limits......(does that make sense?)