Well John I am sorry too, my owner and myself thought this was just a debate, not a shooting gallery, i am perhaps too passionate in my views, i think both sides here said things offencive sounding that sure could and were taken as derogatory and were perhaps not clearly stated in such a way as to not leave that impression or we wouldnt be having this part of the conversation,

If for instance if i said that all of the leadership of one party or the other was crazy stupid etc (even with what was thought to be taken as obvious political satire), it is an opinion and not a personal attack.,
i can see how not being clear enough to keep from offending those who identify with a paticular group led to some angst and for that i am truely sorry