Quote Originally Posted by Shwenn View Post
First, Spinoza's God is basically the universe itself.

And, to add to Thorne's post, about the verifiability of atoms, I'd like to mention something about science itself.

It's called peer review. Getting published in science is like running a gauntlet. It is notoriously difficult. If you fudge your test results, your vicious peers will find out and they will roast you over an open flame. I worked on an experiment designed to disprove Einstein's relativity. Einsein, the man is considered something of a science God, not just a saint. And we felt we were paying the man respect by trying to show he was wrong.

There is no comparisson between the scientific community today and the religious community of old. None at all.

To us, nothing is sacred. We challenge everything. We call everything into doubt.

Thank you for explaining Spinoza.

Now the first schools in Europe after Rome collapsed.... where would you find them... Hmmm, let me think....... could it possibly be in A MONESTARY?? Damn those tricky, religious monks. I bet they were going to corrupt all that juicy knowledge they had preserved to lend weight to the Intelligent Design arguement.

The truth is not all scientists are saints, neither are all saints. There are some scientists that are truely in it for the greater good of mankind, just as there have been many religious figures throughout history whose primary concern was furthering humanity. On the flip side, there are just as many (if not more) scientists who are in the game for their own personal gain. People are people no matter what label you stick on them, some are selfless, some will take advantage of any situation they come upon, sayin that there is no comparison between religion and science is just ignorant.

PS nobody ever has seen an atom. They may have seen something on a TV screen but just because you see it on TV doesn't make it real.

PPS I believe in atoms, I'm just using it as an example that there are things we cannot see, feel, taste, smell or hear, and therefore forced to take on faith.