wow an honest answer to the expermental faith question sir i applaud you Thorne.

and sorry btw i was baiting the room for a deccanistic geologist/ argeologist vs astonomy disscussion on dinosuar extinction as a classic example of why and how the popularized therory of one side has eroded true scienctific endeavors to find the truth about what really caused the dinosaurs to become extinct ,, which btw has happened numerous times throughout history, why ? because humans are still human, despite ourselves, wow i guess science has tmany of the same secular pitfalls as religion huh?

its a common tendency of most people to deny the connections between religion faith and what have you and science, (not the preformance of an experiment but the interpetation of the data), which is preciecly what everyone does, interpets the data around them, but to do so we must find consences and agree on terminology such as can we all agree the sky is for the most part blue?

and before we go galavanting off into just what the definition of faith is, mabey we should look at what human nature is or for that matter what is is

(sorry bad billy clinton joke) lol

i have faith that our scientists are trying to answer questions that have been attempeted to be answered by the philosophers before they came on the scene, as the philosophers attempeted to answer the questions proposed to be answered by the theologians that predated them and they the questions proposed by the mystics etc etc etc back to early cave guy gazing at the monolith in wonder (sorry arther c clark joke now)

remember early philosophers did attempt to answer the very questions of why what how we all came to be which is kinda what some scientists are all about,, math being the general language they use, where as philosophers tended to kling to words some of them like pathagoras did delve into numerology for example however and it was a good thing too, i actually kinda see philosophers as the bridge between science and faith, or religion or whatever yu wish to call it, that we still have all three is no wonder eaither, even though many may think atheisim to be purely scientific it is a belief like any other since we cant prove thier is no divinity (intellegent design or not)

i dont think any one really knows 100% weather ocum was right or not with his razor until they actually die, though isnt that what "faith" is all about?

or mabey having "faith" at least in a religious sence, is more about having "hope"

(and dont get me wrong i am speaking of the message of most religions not the poor way its many dogmas are practiced, of course that goes for science too, look at the atom bomb)