thanku very much Thorne, we have been waiting for someone to say that to point out the irony.

we just wanted someone to acknowlege that not all religions expouse a totalitarian doctrine, and that some athiests seem to be just as militant or zealous as "belivers" in a given faith which is ironic yet typical of many "rejectionist" movements from the mainstream or conformist portions of society.

we also are not confussing "faith" with "religion", an early post clarified that the word faith has many meanings depending on context.

ulitimately no one belives anything they dont want to, alltough peer pressure is a detractable factor of any human social interation especially in organized practices of faith, there will allways remain the diversity of the individual, the freedom to choose for yourself, regaurdless of how you were raised, even the extremisum of the most vehmament christians demands that "god has given us the freedom of choice"

i belive the point my owner was making about Einstien (as well as many learned and respected peers of the scientific comunity) was that even he a very respected icon of "science" expressed a belief , a faith in the existance of "god" and the subsiqunt evolution of mankind the world etc to be a prossess of "design" as opposed to chance

in the end only we can decide what we belive as individuals, alone in the floatstream of existance or inextorably connected in someway?

paranormal reaserch into the realms of telepathy and remote viewing and or other supernatural realms are models explored even by our own governments currently and in the past that may give some light on such questions, despite the secptics more recent reaserch has shown there to be "something" happening that scientists are as of yet unable to explain

thier is a reason that many many people have throughout the history of mankind found and explained this "connection" that all life, all matter seems to have with one another, from the early mystics to the wisest of buddist monks on the moutian top and its not just some little phycological compulsion of sientience

mabey george lucas has it right? who am i to say, but to deny the possibility that it exists, that there is some entity, a god or godess or some other such force, even if its like the gaian model where we are all little parts of the great consiouness, the spiral of life as some native american cultures describe is tantamont to telling all of existance, the crowd, the refferee, the other players etc, to frack off while putting oneself in the penalty box, in a hockey game using infinite quarks for pucks