[COLOR="PaleGreen"]I know what you are saying.

It is simular to saying all of the followers of a given religion or philosophy are wrong becuase you disagree with one small fraction of thier belif system taken out of context.

I am not saying that the gorean way or Norman way is the only one. I we really dont need to reprint the entire text here of his works content to prove it eaither, there are too many volumes to go through. Though i see you have only chosen those few pasages that you could find that would sound mysoginistic taken out of context.

Which proves my earlier point in another thread that most people mis-inturpet the total message and volume of his work.

Litterally missing the forest for a couple of trees.[/COLOR]

It is the nature of the female to submit; accordingly, it is natural that, when she is forced to acknowledge, accept, express and reveal this nature, that she should be almost deliriously joyful, and thankful, to her master; she has been taught her womanhood." - Marauders of Gor, Pg. 155

I have personally experienced this blissful submission described above with the quote you would have me see as degrading to wemon. I am proud it is in my nature to submit and i no longer fear to do so as i once did when i was younger.


” … when she has been irritable or otherwise troublesome, even a Free Companion may find herself looking forward to a pleasant night on the stones, stripped, with neither a mat nor a blanket, chained to a slave ring precisely as though she were a lowly slave girl. … A taste of the slave ring is thought to be occasionally beneficial to all women.” Why do the men do this? “It is the Gorean way of reminding her … that she, too, is a woman, and thus to be dominated, to be subject to men.”

The underlined portion above is something nearly every single submissive woman i have ever talked to has said that she also craved (some dommes and switches as well) as i have craved it at one time or another. havent you ever wished to be put in your place before?

As for the bottom part of the quote, the thing was written for a certian audience and wouldnt be congurent with the hypothetical world view he used for his characters if not worded that way. It is after all a story, not a philosophical diologe. He is also saying what Gorean men think. Not nessesaraly what we the reader should think nor what people here on earth should think, alltough the characters in the book may say such things,, Gor is presented as an alien world to us. Its ways are presented differently frome our own.

The world we live in is the way it is.

I see it differently from you. All the following i have taken from one area or another of Dr Langes books.

In my heart of hearts I know what I am, what I was born to be. Honnor and love and duty to Him. Utter servitude to my Master in all things. These are my meat and bread. These are my life, my very soul.

There is no greater love than the slave to her owner. Bound by more than just his will. The passion of the kajira for her owner is absolute. She is more than just property and can do no less than give of herself to him everything.

Many say the free woman is incabable of love as the slave loves.

Only the slave is completely open to her owner in all ways, there are no secrets, no hidden desires, she is naked before Him in all. She bares forth her essence to him in everything, and he deepens her servitude with his strength over her, for she is his most cherished property.In this the slave has nothing but utter trust and total devotion to her owner. Even her own deepest fears must be put aside to please her owners desires. No free woman can truely give this much of herself. It is something truely rare in the world.

A man is a fool who plants a garden and does not tend it well for harvest. So too it is with his other property, his slave in paticular.

My owner possesess me in total, I am His. Collared and trainned in all things, every aspect of life permeated by his dominion over me. My owner loves me. It is no weakness for him to do so, but his greatest strength. I respect him in all things, he keeps me in my place and i adore him for it.I am his bueatiful kajira. His most prized and valuable possession. I am irrevocably His. Nothing is allowed to be hidden from him. I entertain him. Even when I try his patience or am playful, or disobedient I do so in his name, to ever help him keep me well in my place, to further his enjoyment of his property his kajira his slave. His in total i submit.

In this i am what many Goreans call a love slave, born and bred specifically to love my owner in every way.

It is a bueatiful moment when the woman realizes that the man who owns her is her "love" Master and the man realizes that this girl kneeling before him tears in her eyes is his utterly , his love slave.

The slavery in which a love slave is kept is an unusually deep slavery. She must serve him with a perfection that which would stun and startle other girls; if she should fail in any way, even in so small a way that the lapse would be overlooked in the case of another wench, or bring perhaps a mild word or reprimand, she is likely to be tied at the slave ring and whipped; there is good reason for this; she is, you see, a love slave; no woman can be more in a man's power; and with no woman must he be stronger................... Beasts of Gor, pp236