Thanks orchidsoul you said that much better than i could.

We also have never expoused to view the philosophical bio-ethical truths taken from the novels as a "system" nor have i said they are the only way to do bdsm, please people read what i have written before composing a reply.

As for me being generally submissive,, LMFAO

Despite the threroritical setting of the books, we are in fact living on earth, there is a big difference between theroy and practice.

Few are the men or wemon for that matter that i submit too. If I dont truely sence dominance from an individual then I fill in with my own, and with an enthusiasium that most find a bit overbearing.`~ask around most newbies here actually think I am a domina, and if one truely reads the books they know that by the conditions stated within, I am not even remotely expected too submit to all, none of the Goreans in the books that come to earth act in such a fashion, indeed it would go against thier ethical depection to do so. (if and only if my "owner and my owner alone wishes for me to submit to another i do without reservation, becuase in doing so i am submitting to "HIS" will and that is the only circumstance that i would.

(Now if living on the constructed world described in Dr. Lange's books things would be different. For all of us, and we wouldnt have this conversation).

As mentioned in earlier posts, My owner and I follow the law of the land we are in within reason, just like everyone else. We do not expect all wemon to kneel at my owners feet nor me to kneel at every mans some of my best friends here are female dommes, some are Gorean female Domme's (wrap your brain around that one) which shouldnt exist (becuase according to the misogynist supporters they should all be on thier knees) ~contrary to the argument being made that goreans are misogynsts, of course the people who say that ussually havent actually read the books so much as read what someone else has said to slander them or only read those portions shown them to support such a theroy.

To sugest that my husband expect all wemon to kneel at mens feet just becuase we identify with a certian philosophical mindset conserning D/s relationships in the individual setting of living on earth sugested by Norman is farcical to say the least.

We do not believe we are living on another planet people.

We do however believe that many of the philosophical ideas expressed by the series of books are very well wrought and worthy of our admiration and emulate them; just like we do many other things we find that sing the song of truth in our eyes.

BTW the thread isnt here to slam the books, If one reads the post starting the thread they will see its here to open a discussion on the virtue ethics that my owner and i have found to be useful in everyday life especially in bdsm relationships that we and many others have adopted from the books.

So far i havent heard a single thing in response to my original post from those who are vehmement detractors of the books.