Quote Originally Posted by Flesh Seraph View Post
Well then don't worry. Obviously the dom is just be playing. Otherwise, he's just an idiot using his sub as a plaything, as you say- but why would a relationship like that ever work? And if the sub isn't fine with it, she should tell him that 2+2 IS in fact four, and to go fuck himself.

The only point I wanted to make is that a sub accepting a dom's incorrect conclusions as fact is a form of submission. The entire point of the post is that such play is intellectually dishonest bullshit, and both parties have to suspend disbelief in order to enjoy it. The dom knows he is wrong but wants to test the submissive's will. The submissive knows the dom is wrong but capitulates anyway. And all is right with the world.
That's simply not how the submissive mindset works, at least mine doesn't work that way. Firstly, I would NEVER tell him to go fuck himself under ANY circumstances. How respectless is that? So if I don't want to get punished I just tell my dom/master/whatever term you prefer to go fuck himself?? That doesn't make any sense to me, sorry.

If he says 2+2=5 then 2+2 is 5 until he tells me differently. He gets to test my will, I submit, all is right in the world.

Now, if he asks me "what is 2+2" it is 5, simple as that. If it's suddenly 4 again, how am I supposed to know? Why do I get punished for doing what has been established as having to be done before? This, to me, is playing mind-games and it would confuse and devastate me. I would try to figure out where I missed that one vital clue, where I failed to please, where I managed to mess up without even realising it. To me, such a scenerio would unsettle me, upset me, damage me. If this is something you and your partner agree on and find arousing, fine. But -- as others said before -- it is in no way a kind of thing that works for all submissives. It is, in fact, at least potentially harmful and that should be kept in mind.

As far as the other example is concerned:

An even simpler example of the same concept:

DOM (in the heat of passion): "You're a little slut!" (NOT TRUE)
SUB (in the heat of passion): "God, yes I am!" (NOT TRUE)
This is not the same concept. The same concept would be something like that:

DOM: You're a little slut!
SUB: I'm not a little slut! Why would you say so?
DOM: You're a little slut. What are you?
SUB: I'm a little slut.
DOM: No, you aren't. I'll have to punish you for that.

The problem here is not the acceptance of a more or less obviously faulty statement. The problem is the contradiction. To me, this is like being punished for submitting -- and that's nothing I would want in a BDSM oriented relationship. And now I've rambled long enough I think