Why Nobama

[Ragoczy]

Oh goody Americans who screwed it up are now going to clean it up. If? You invaded the wrong country, your establishment fabricated evidance and when one claim after another was prooven false, you simply made up another.

Its this superiority attitude and arrogance, which we have no idea where you derive it from, that breeds anti-american contempt. Your country is two hundred years old. Iraq, historically known as Mesopotamia, has been here since the start of the civilization, we are talking thousands of years. My country was founded in the seventh century. What gives you the right to meddle into our business? What gives you the right to tell us how to live?

I do believe Ragoczy that you are a noble man, one with values and that your attentions are good. But I have a first hand experiance where US presence prolonged the war unnecessarily and murkied things up. Its their land, you invaded it with no justifiable cause and you are continuing that occupation against their will. Sectarian violence? Again, its none of your business, its up to them to either learn to coexist or fight it out. You cant stop that, and as long as you are there terrorists will prosper.

My reason for supporting the ouster of Hussein was simple:

The 2001 Gulf War never ended, no cessation of hostilities was ever signed, only a ceasefire, the terms of which were not complied with. US Troops were already in the area, on and around the Iraq-Kuwait border and enforcing the no-fly zones. All of this was at the behest and agreement of the international community. However, there was no plan in place to ever end the situation and the historical precedent for this was undesirable: 50 years from now we'd have 50,000 US troops and three million land mines on the Iraq-Kuwait border "containing" Hussein's idiot son. Sound familiar? It should, because it's the current state of the Korean Peninsula.

So, yeah, I do think if we're going to be the ones faced with that likelihood, we should have the right to say "fuck that, we're going to end it now and get it over with".

And ultimately, no, Iraq has not been there since the start of civilization. Any number of geographical borders have come and gone in that region over the last millennia and the national entity known as "Iraq" is a leftover of an area granted to British control by the League of Nations and forged out of traditionally hostile groups. Short of dividing the country amongst those groups or the arrival of another dictator strong enough to terrorize them, I have doubts that they'll make it without a lot of sectarian bloodshed. But we are where we are today, and I think it's better for the US to stay until the Iraqi government feels comfortable than to just precipitously pull out. Leaving the Iraqi government unstable and not in control of the provinces would simply guarantee sectarian violence and bloodshed, while staying at least provides the possibility of avoiding it.