a question for the submissives/slaves

[red~vixen]

i have a slightly different point of view that is a bit less technical, not going by the definition of either word, but what is felt, at least in my heart.

currently i am neither sub nor slave, i am unowned, uncollared, though the submissive side in me is very strong. i believe that one can simultaneously be a submissive and a slave. Allow me to expound.

Let's pretend i do have a Master, and in every day intereaction, i am His submissive or slave if You will, whichever you prefer, longing to nay displease Him by following His every command. Should i fail, he understands the err's of being human and perhaps may still discipline me. In that sense, i am a submissive, striving, but still having limits. However, away from Him, when He is not there, my every jesture, my every thought, my every action and movement displays all the beautiful things that would make Him proud to call me His. I do these things, even though He cannot see me, because He has trained me and molded me to His will, and because my belly burns to be more beautiful and pleasing to Him everyday. In this sense, i am His slave. i believe when One truly owns Your heart, it is inevitable, you are a slave to that person, whether either of You wish it to be or not.

That is just my opinion on the subject however, for whatever it's worth. Like i have said, i am completely new to this and have never been owned, but i believe i have a bit of understanding of the beauty of a D/s relationship. Any advice or input would truly be welcomed, as i may be completely off base here.

[kittenfemme]

Originally posted by red~vixen
i believe when One truly owns Your heart, it is inevitable, you are a slave to that person, whether either of You wish it to be or not.

Well said red!

[slavelucy]

Originally posted by kittenfemme
Well said red!

Ditto....

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[Shaya]

When Master first collared me, both He and i referred to me as submissive. Over time as W/we became more comfortable with one another, i began to think of myself as Master's slave and not His submissive. This was because my needs began to change. i began to need to submit in a deeper way.

With permission, i shared my feelings with Master. He already knew, He said he could tell by my actions, by the way i responded to instructions. i didn't know that it was so obvious, but as i thought about it, i realized that Master had already begun to respond to the changes in me. But He waited until i was ready to accept my new status. He wanted it to be my choice without any persuasion from Him.

So for U/us it was not a concious decision that i became a slave, it was simply a natural progression as O/our relationshoip grew and changed.

slave shaya

[kittenfemme]

That's kickin' Shaya, and an incredibly sweet summary. You sound incredibly happy, and I'm glad of it.

Perceptive Dominants who take the time to get to know their human playthings, know how to read our emotions, and learn to anticipate our actions and needs are the best in my humble opinion. Sure, hyper-cruelty offset by fierce compassion utilized by one who knows how and when to wield each is nice, but I don't want someone who will just tun me black and blue then cuddle. I want someone who will manipulate my thought processes... who will turn my emotions inside out to get what they want... who takes the power I give them, acknowledges it, and uses it to shape a world where they can inspire fear, anger, shame, devotion, and a range of other things with a simple expression, command, or hand gesture.

Does such desire make a slave or submissive? I suppose that depends on how you define each.

[Firefly676]

I have to agree with everything everyone wrote there! -Especially the words kittenfemme quoted by RedVixen, which are just the way i feel too.
Shaya i think your relationship sounds really beautiful.
Our relationship is deepening over time too, though we haven't yet discussed the submissive/slave title yet, it isn't the title that matters for us at the moment, it does just happen, and in my heart, yes i do feel that i'm his slave, though i wouldn't technically be classed as a slave at the moment, due to demands of everyday life ..we're hoping to set up something kinky sometime

[pussy_cat]

My Master calls me his submissive. i love to please Him, but he doesn't control every aspect of my life. He is a leader and He dominates and disciplines me, but He also lets me challenge Him and have my space. We have also been best friends for a long time. We would go target-shooting, or play computer games and debate on things. That hasn't changed after i became His.
i guess, being a slave requires more control. A slave is owned, a submissive is lead.