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View Poll Results: How should the Supreme Court decide cases?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondsman View Post
    Making decisions purely based on law can often lead to situations where most would agree the verdict is unfair. It it really a crime when an eighteen year old has sex with a seventeen year old? It's often lenient, but there is still a record. The original poll I think should have used "common sense" rather than "fairness". I agree both are subjective, but that's why we have very knowledgeable people in law that can make common sense decisions, and should be able to.
    First, we're talking about the Supreme Court, whose primary purpose is to decide issues of Constitutional Law, not State Criminal Court.

    In State Criminal Court, the issue of "common sense", "fairness" or even "justice" has an advocate -- that being the jury. It's the jury's duty and right to judge the law in addition to the facts of the case and they can return a not guilty verdict if they believe the law is unjust or unjustly applied.

    The issue of allowing "very knowledgeable people" make "common sense" decisions is that they don't all have common sense. And what you think is "common sense" might be patent absurdity to someone else -- that's why we have a codified set of laws, rather than leaving it to the arbitrary, subjective view of an individual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragoczy View Post
    First, we're talking about the Supreme Court, whose primary purpose is to decide issues of Constitutional Law, not State Criminal Court.

    In State Criminal Court, the issue of "common sense", "fairness" or even "justice" has an advocate -- that being the jury. It's the jury's duty and right to judge the law in addition to the facts of the case and they can return a not guilty verdict if they believe the law is unjust or unjustly applied.

    The issue of allowing "very knowledgeable people" make "common sense" decisions is that they don't all have common sense. And what you think is "common sense" might be patent absurdity to someone else -- that's why we have a codified set of laws, rather than leaving it to the arbitrary, subjective view of an individual.

    Yes but doesn't any Judge even at State Level use his/her "Commom Sense" I do not believe that there is any difference in "Comom Sense" used by a Judg or Judges be they State or Fedral
    Andafter trial when it is up to the Judge to pass sentence not a Jury what 1 Judge State Level may pass as sentence and another one at State Level will do will be different by either thier "Commom Sense" or THEIR Interptation of the Law anss the sentences they can hand down
    You can have 2 people before 2 different State Jdges passong sentence and 1 may sentence 1 person to 6 years another may sentence for the same crime 3 years. it is up to ANY Judges Interatation not only of the Crime Committed, butthe Law and the Sentences they are allowed to pass
    I am not sure you can differentiate her that State Level & Federal Level operate differently

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkemse View Post
    Yes but doesn't any Judge even at State Level use his/her "Commom Sense" I do not believe that there is any difference in "Comom Sense" used by a Judg or Judges be they State or Fedral
    Andafter trial when it is up to the Judge to pass sentence not a Jury what 1 Judge State Level may pass as sentence and another one at State Level will do will be different by either thier "Commom Sense" or THEIR Interptation of the Law anss the sentences they can hand down
    You can have 2 people before 2 different State Jdges passong sentence and 1 may sentence 1 person to 6 years another may sentence for the same crime 3 years. it is up to ANY Judges Interatation not only of the Crime Committed, butthe Law and the Sentences they are allowed to pass
    I am not sure you can differentiate her that State Level & Federal Level operate differently
    They differ quite a bit -- the Supreme and Appellate Courts are designed differently and have different purposes than the Criminal and Civil Courts that a case is first heard in.

    In the latter, the focus is on the facts of the case -- in the former, it's on procedure and the law. These are two different goals, and are different for reason.

    The purpose of the lower Courts is to arrive at a verdict based on the facts of the case and the issue of "justice" or "fairness" is in the hands of the jury; the higher Courts have a different burden, that of judging the law as it was applied to the case. They must be guided by the actual law, not their opinion or sense of "fairness", else we're back in the days of rule of men not rule of law.

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