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Rational Head The Morality of Abortion! 10-23-2008, 09:13 AM
Muskan I don’t care about what... 10-23-2008, 10:19 AM
lucy That theory doesn't hold up,... 10-23-2008, 10:20 AM
Muskan One should think twice before... 10-23-2008, 10:23 AM
denuseri And I quote: "I swear by... 10-23-2008, 11:12 AM
Laila I am not a friend of... 10-23-2008, 12:20 PM
Thorne Well said, Laila. I just want... 10-23-2008, 01:11 PM
mkemse Thank you my point exactly... 10-23-2008, 01:23 PM
mkemse To me the reality of Abortion... 10-23-2008, 12:51 PM
AdrianaAurora Very often (especially in US)... 10-23-2008, 02:32 PM
Ragoczy Is it moral to kill someone?... 10-23-2008, 02:44 PM
AdrianaAurora It on itself its neither... 10-23-2008, 02:57 PM
Ragoczy So if society decides that... 10-23-2008, 03:05 PM
AdrianaAurora So I do have a choice? ... 10-23-2008, 03:20 PM
the_moirae Not even addressing the... 10-23-2008, 03:09 PM
Ragoczy It's absolutely relevant. ... 10-23-2008, 03:56 PM
SnickerKitten I drove a friend of mine to a... 10-23-2008, 08:23 PM
lucy deleted because i'm not sure... 10-24-2008, 12:56 AM
lucy I have yet to meet a woman... 10-24-2008, 02:45 AM
lookingforsomething I have read through all the... 10-24-2008, 02:59 AM
shayna{L_D} er maybe i should read all... 10-24-2008, 05:40 AM
Thorne Third trimester? Not... 10-24-2008, 02:04 PM
SnickerKitten That's the thing, though. In... 10-24-2008, 08:21 PM
Ragoczy Curiously, I had a discussion... 10-23-2008, 02:37 PM
damyanti Is that what you think... 10-23-2008, 02:49 PM
Ragoczy Take the other outcome and... 10-23-2008, 03:12 PM
damyanti You say that "The fundamental... 10-23-2008, 03:42 PM
Ragoczy If it's your body, why a... 10-23-2008, 03:57 PM
craven I am not sure of this thread... 10-23-2008, 04:16 PM
Ragoczy I see, so 12-weeks is the law... 10-23-2008, 04:23 PM
craven So to make your point or... 10-23-2008, 04:50 PM
Ragoczy My point was that just... 10-23-2008, 06:31 PM
AdrianaAurora The rhetoric on abortion... 10-24-2008, 03:40 AM
craven Each case is different and... 10-23-2008, 04:17 PM
Ragoczy One of the government's role... 10-23-2008, 04:18 PM
Muskan I personally think that war,... 10-23-2008, 05:06 PM
craven i think you may have taken me... 10-23-2008, 05:13 PM
shayna{L_D} i cannot believe this is a... 10-23-2008, 06:24 PM
mkemse Why not, Freedom Of Speach... 03-01-2009, 05:30 PM
Torq One and only one warning here... 10-23-2008, 06:54 PM
Ragoczy . 10-23-2008, 07:22 PM
hopperboo ...I'm going to have my... 10-23-2008, 07:48 PM
damyanti Thank you lucy and... 10-24-2008, 04:04 AM
hopperboo I 100% agree on the rape... 10-24-2008, 09:39 AM
shayna{L_D} what if the woman was on... 10-24-2008, 10:21 AM
hopperboo If the couple already has a... 10-25-2008, 12:22 PM
Skyybird Whilst it's difficult to... 10-25-2008, 02:30 AM
Thorne It's always bothered me that... 10-25-2008, 06:31 AM
Skyybird Being parents blinkers our... 10-25-2008, 08:01 AM
Laila Well said, Skyybird. I... 10-25-2008, 03:15 AM
denuseri It is my opinion that the... 10-25-2008, 08:30 AM
damyanti Abortion in Ancient Greece... 10-25-2008, 03:03 PM
Thorne Well done, damyanti! Nice... 10-25-2008, 07:00 PM
mkemse Nice Factual Post 10-25-2008, 08:52 PM
jezabel This is a VERY emotive issue... 10-25-2008, 11:26 AM
mkemse I have NO doubt about what... 10-25-2008, 01:38 PM
~faerie~ This is an extremely hard... 10-26-2008, 08:42 PM
mkemse Not going to shout ect but... 10-26-2008, 08:55 PM
awakening2 May be the reason for calling... 10-27-2008, 05:58 AM
thedominthehat My own personal philosophy is... 02-03-2009, 07:18 PM
Arria I once read the Aborigines do... 02-05-2009, 11:23 AM
Thorne LOL! I agree wholeheartedly,... 02-05-2009, 02:20 PM
Belgarold Good words Arria. I think... 02-08-2009, 11:36 PM
MMI On balance, I'm against... 02-06-2009, 07:12 AM
thedominthehat MMI: Until modern times,... 02-08-2009, 10:48 PM
wmrs2 My thoughts on abortion are... 03-01-2009, 05:36 PM
mkemse I Partial agree, but on the... 03-01-2009, 05:41 PM
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    Curiously, I had a discussion on this topic with my thirteen-year old daughter recently. On the long car rides to and from her classes, I like to torment her by making her talk about substantive issues instead of just listening to music.

    The fundamental controversy of abortion is: When does a human life begin?

    When does it change from a merging of sperm and egg, from a blob of cells, from a "fetus" ... to a human being, with all of the rights associated with such?

    Sadly, that question can't be answered today, because we have no real definition of what constitutes human life. There's no machine that we can point at a pregnant woman and watch the "human" light turn on.

    This is not an issue of hypothetical car rides, about consent and withdrawing consent -- it's either about killing a human being or not; all dependent on what defines a human life and when that begins.

    It's not about individual, personal morality -- those things that we decide for ourselves are right or wrong -- because there is no such thing when another person is involved. We don't get to decide what's moral or not when it impacts others -- if we did, then murder would be legal if the murderer didn't feel it was wrong.

    If an abortion is performed before the fetus has achieved whatever it is that defines a human life, then it's the moral equivalent of clipping your toenails; after that indefinable point and it's murder ... worse, murder of a child.

    There are extreme, ridiculous positions on both sides.

    I don't believe that sperm and egg conjoined define humanness -- that makes little or no sense. There's no ... substance to three or four, or three- or four-hundred, cells, with no definition or recognizable form, to hold the concept of a human being. To believe that requires a belief in a human soul, which can't be proven to exist.

    Worse, though, is the belief that abortion on-demand in, say, the third trimester isn't murder. That's sick and depraved -- to deny humanity and rights to an infant who, if birthed instead of butchered, would survive independent of the mother is unconscionable. What magic happens with the cutting of the umbilical that turns it into human from non-? A twisted rationalization.

    Out of the conversation with my daughter, I posed a question, which I now pose to you:

    Today, this very minute, you have the power to settle legality or illegality of abortion once and for all. You pick. Then no more argument, no more debate, no more discussion -- your decision stands as the law.

    Then, twenty-years from today, we've advanced technology to the point where we can define "humanness", that unique quality that makes a human being different. We build a machine that can detect this and can, once and for all, determine when human life begins. Press the button and the light turns green for human.

    If you made abortion illegal and twenty years from now that light turns green only when the cord is cut, well, you have to apologize to all those millions of women who had to endure some discomfort and inconvenience for nine months of their lives.

    If you made abortion legal and the light turns green when sperm meets egg ... what on earth can you say to millions of dead children?

    Our entire legal system in the US is based on a very simple premise: It's better for the guilty to go free than to punish the innocent. If an accused murderer gets the benefit of the doubt, shouldn't a child?
    Last edited by Ragoczy; 10-23-2008 at 02:46 PM.

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