Would You Believe???

[denuseri]

lol, mkemse thread highjacked by its own author film at 11

Actually i dont know why we bother making different threads when we end up drifting back to the main theme of this whole section anyway eventually in every thread, politics winks and if my posts sound one sided its probabley becuase the posts i am responding too are equally one sided, someone has to play devils advocate in a disscussion or there is only consensua and no debate

But you both did bring up a points that beg for response so here goes..

How can you capture Bin Laden in a country where he is not? As we discussed in other threads Iraq was at the time a central area for this, strategically speaking its just like in Chess where you want to control the center before you start striking into the enemies back lines. If the politicians would stay the frak out of this and let the generals do it they way they wanted the war would probably been over a long time ago. Back when this thing first started we first invaded Afganistan the bad guys went to ground, and ran away, bleeding into other areas, when we occupied Iraq it gave them somewhere to focus, becuase we are smack dab in the middle of thier business then now that Iraq is really allmost won they have been fleeing back to afganistan and other areas on the perefery. Its a very good sign that they resolve has tremendously been weakened, Thay have all but lost the center of the proverbial board now.

We knew getting into this it was going to be a very very long war or series of wars, the terroists are not going to just stop, even if Obama gets elected.

Diablo: "My sarcasm was triggered by the undermine the morale statement."

So morality shouldn't be part of the equation in being an American or excersising our right to free speach?

I would have to say the media ceretianly agrees.

Have you given any thought to the possibility that such statements also undermine the troops and thier families morale?
To know that so many of the people they are fighting to protect despise what they are trying to accomplish and dont believe in what they are doing ,must surely be at the very least a bum deal huh?
That the people back home think the mission they are putting thier lives on the line for is wrong or somehow not justified?
That the loss of thier lives and the loss of thier brothers and sisters in arms is only held in a hypocritical sort of reverance at best by far to many Americans?

You dont see the hypocracy in that?

We hear all the time from our friends serving abroad how they feel about it.

Not to mention, my Owner is himself a veteran, as was my Father and many of my other realtives and friends.

On a lighter thread topic note:

There was a local news story about a boy trick or treating as a ballot box, kinda holding his own little election, candy was placed through a slot in the front of the boys box/outfit according to which canidate the candy givers prefered. (lots of people voting multiple times lol election fraud was rampant) though his results are admitably disputable due to the fact that he ate half the candy before his parents could tally the votes at home.

I see lots of promises from both canidates, but i dont believe Obama has our best intrests in mind, now if it was the fat lady vs McCain that might be a different story.

In any event I hope you both vote.

[mkemse]

lol, mkemse thread highjacked by its own author film at 11

Actually i dont know why we bother making different threads when we end up drifting back to the main theme of this whole section anyway eventually in every thread, politics winks and if my posts sound one sided its probabley becuase the posts i am responding too are equally one sided, someone has to play devils advocate in a disscussion or there is only consensua and no debate

But you both did bring up a points that beg for response so here goes..

How can you capture Bin Laden in a country where he is not? As we discussed in other threads Iraq was at the time a central area for this, strategically speaking its just like in Chess where you want to control the center before you start striking into the enemies back lines. If the politicians would stay the frak out of this and let the generals do it they way they wanted the war would probably been over a long time ago. Back when this thing first started we first invaded Afganistan the bad guys went to ground, and ran away, bleeding into other areas, when we occupied Iraq it gave them somewhere to focus, becuase we are smack dab in the middle of thier business then now that Iraq is really allmost won they have been fleeing back to afganistan and other areas on the perefery. Its a very good sign that they resolve has tremendously been weakened, Thay have all but lost the center of the proverbial board now.

We knew getting into this it was going to be a very very long war or series of wars, the terroists are not going to just stop, even if Obama gets elected.

Diablo: "My sarcasm was triggered by the undermine the morale statement."

So morality shouldn't be part of the equation in being an American or excersising our right to free speach?

I would have to say the media ceretianly agrees.

Have you given any thought to the possibility that such statements also undermine the troops and thier families morale?
To know that so many of the people they are fighting to protect despise what they are trying to accomplish and dont believe in what they are doing ,must surely be at the very least a bum deal huh?
That the people back home think the mission they are putting thier lives on the line for is wrong or somehow not justified?
That the loss of thier lives and the loss of thier brothers and sisters in arms is only held in a hypocritical sort of reverance at best by far to many Americans?

You dont see the hypocracy in that?

We hear all the time from our friends serving abroad how they feel about it.

Not to mention, my Owner is himself a veteran, as was my Father and many of my other realtives and friends.

On a lighter thread topic note:

There was a local news story about a boy trick or treating as a ballot box, kinda holding his own little election, candy was placed through a slot in the front of the boys box/outfit according to which canidate the candy givers prefered. (lots of people voting multiple times lol election fraud was rampant) though his results are admitably disputable due to the fact that he ate half the candy before his parents could tally the votes at home.

I see lots of promises from both canidates, but i dont believe Obama has our best intrests in mind, now if it was the fat lady vs McCain that might be a different story.

In any event I hope you both vote.

That comment on Bin Laden was NOT meant to betaken seriously, but someone on the radio mentioned it would be intresting if they annouced his capture tomorrow morning, butthereality is even if they did, i seriously doubt atthis poit it would have any major effect on the elction being one doen the same day

We know where Mccain stands, 90% of thetime with Bush, and where Obama may be viewed as rsiky, he desrves a chance if for no other reason, we can not afford as a nation 4 more eyars of what we have now

Asfar a the boy goes, does that qualify as "Stuffing the Ballot Box" LOL couldn't pas that up

anyway it is nearing midnight where I am and my biggest issue tomorrow is i justfound out my polling place is the school across the street from me, i may have to block our parking lot ff so our residentscan park here and not voters, we have very limited space

Let's see what happen tomorrow, Carl Rove who i ... weel never mnd tha even said tonightunless a mircle happen Mccain will be slaughtered, and if he looses he can probably blame more his VP choice then anyhingelse, Rove and other conservatives have already said her selection may have killed his chances beforetheelection took place and remember, her own new paper the Alaskan Tribune even Endorsed Obama, talk about no faith in your own home town girl

Who ever you voted for or will be good luck tomorrow only time will tell now

Just glass all the tv,radio and mailers will finaly end, imagine howmany tress lost their livesfor this elections

[Dr_BuzzCzar]

How can you capture Bin Laden in a country where he is not? As we discussed in other threads Iraq was at the time a central area for this, strategically speaking its just like in Chess where you want to control the center before you start striking into the enemies back lines. If the politicians would stay the frak out of this and let the generals do it they way they wanted the war would probably been over a long time ago. Back when this thing first started we first invaded Afganistan the bad guys went to ground, and ran away, bleeding into other areas, when we occupied Iraq it gave them somewhere to focus, becuase we are smack dab in the middle of thier business then now that Iraq is really allmost won they have been fleeing back to afganistan and other areas on the perefery. Its a very good sign that they resolve has tremendously been weakened, Thay have all but lost the center of the proverbial board now.

This shows a lack of understanding of the political situation in the Middle East prior to the invasion of Iraq by U.S. led forces. Iraq and Iran have been adversaries for a very long time, actually tracing tribal differences back millenia and religious differences about 800 years or so. Iraq kept Iran at bay in the region through mutual distrust. Syria was leery of the political movement that had taken over Iran after the Shah was overthrown so has been taking a much lower profile in the region. Our invasion gave them something to focus on. Remember that the first name of the invasion was Iraqi Crusade (as I recall. I know the word "Crusade" was in the name and thinking at the time that this was either a demonstration of complete ignorance of the region or a bone tossed to the religious right. I still don't know for sure which they meant.) before they hastily re-named it Iraqi Freedom? Using the chess analogy, the situation was in stalemate before our invasion. We screwed it up with a badly planned, poorly executed, illegally justified invasion of a country, while no friend of ours, has never committed an overt hostile act against us.

Diablo: "My sarcasm was triggered by the undermine the morale statement."

So morality shouldn't be part of the equation in being an American or excersising our right to free speach?

It appears you have mixed up "morale" with "morals"? Not sure I follow that thought.

Have you given any thought to the possibility that such statements also undermine the troops and thier families morale?
To know that so many of the people they are fighting to protect despise what they are trying to accomplish and dont believe in what they are doing ,must surely be at the very least a bum deal huh?
That the people back home think the mission they are putting thier lives on the line for is wrong or somehow not justified?
That the loss of thier lives and the loss of thier brothers and sisters in arms is only held in a hypocritical sort of reverance at best by far to many Americans?

You dont see the hypocracy in that?

Personally, I find there is a great deal more hypocrisy in even suggesting that people can't hold in great reverence the decision of their fellow Americans to serve in the military and strongly disagree with the political decisions that sent them into harm's way. From my viewpoint those that speak out have the troops welfare more in mind than those that blindly follow a misguided president's agenda.

Not to mention, my Owner is himself a veteran, as was my Father and many of my other realtives and friends.

I'm a combat veteran myself. My years in the Army and my times in combat zones do not make my opinions about the correctness of a war any better or more valid than someone who has never served but has studied the situation from a more dispassionate distance.

Anyway, thats my Election Day two cents worth. Go vote!