Quote Originally Posted by MMI View Post
The diffference between Thorne and myself (I think - I have no authority to speak for him) is that he doesn't think there is a God, although he is not certain. I want there to be a god - a good god - the Christian god, perhaps. But I am sure he is not there.
That's a fair statement of what I feel. I am not certain, as no one can be certain, that there is not a God, Christian or otherwise. One cannot prove a negative, so I cannot claim that God definitely does not exist.

You say you want there to be a god, while I say that I don't need a god. And God certainly would not need me!

Quote Originally Posted by awakening2 View Post
The Creator is there, he does not need us to survive, we are insignificant in our present state in the whole universe. No matter how hard we wish the Creator to behave the way we want him to behave, HE has HIS own ways…the ways of the Creator not of humans.
This is closer to my feelings regarding any potential God. If he's out there, this little ball of dirt and water is only an infinitesimal portion of his creation. It is only man's innate need to believe himself greater than he is that allows him to postulate a God who's greatest desire is to see each of us join him in heaven.

I have no quarrel with those who have faith, regardless of their beliefs. They are as entitled to their belief as I am entitled to my disbelief. My only problem (well, with regard to this topic, anyway) is with those who would try to force their beliefs upon others, sometimes violently, using their God as justification. These are the true demons in our world. And all should fight against them.