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denuseri Why Nobama 10-03-2008, 01:09 PM
Ragoczy There's a lot of stuff... 10-03-2008, 02:07 PM
damyanti Oh goody Americans who... 10-09-2008, 01:05 AM
Ragoczy My reason for supporting the... 10-09-2008, 01:05 PM
gagged_Louise Well, concerning Obama's... 10-03-2008, 03:56 PM
denuseri It is certianly not his... 10-03-2008, 04:41 PM
Euryleia This piece has already been... 10-03-2008, 05:07 PM
Ragoczy One does have to wonder,... 10-03-2008, 05:43 PM
Euryleia Well, if you check Fact... 10-03-2008, 06:52 PM
Ragoczy It doesn't contradict... 10-03-2008, 07:10 PM
mkemse Acutaly Rezko, donated to... 10-03-2008, 07:24 PM
Ragoczy My concern would remain if... 10-03-2008, 07:54 PM
Ragoczy One other thing to consider... 10-04-2008, 05:45 PM
ElectricBadger So far everything stated is... 10-04-2008, 11:54 PM
Ragoczy A $500,000+ favor to a... 10-05-2008, 09:48 AM
js207 Particularly when said... 10-05-2008, 12:09 PM
Ragoczy This is a bit disingenuous. ... 10-05-2008, 10:33 AM
Logic1 What I find as an outside... 10-08-2008, 06:33 AM
lucy I second that. However, as... 10-08-2008, 07:48 AM
Logic1 You are right naturally, but... 10-08-2008, 08:23 AM
js207 I suspect the root is quite... 10-08-2008, 01:23 PM
mkemse thereason our candidates are... 10-08-2008, 07:57 AM
Ragoczy There's a difference between... 10-08-2008, 02:12 PM
js207 Certainly a valid concern,... 10-09-2008, 01:19 AM
ElectricBadger Bringing up concerns, bad... 10-08-2008, 10:19 PM
Logic1 To me there is a difference... 10-09-2008, 03:14 AM
mkemse My feeling is that MCCain is... 10-09-2008, 07:52 AM
denuseri If you really watch the thing... 10-09-2008, 11:10 AM
Muskan I wish America get some... 10-09-2008, 11:29 AM
Ragoczy Vote Zombie Reagan 2008... 10-09-2008, 01:07 PM
gagged_Louise Ragoczy, I honestly don't see... 10-09-2008, 01:45 PM
Ragoczy First of all, if I gave the... 10-09-2008, 02:09 PM
mkemse We invaded Iraq, so the GBush... 10-09-2008, 02:25 PM
gagged_Louise Well, I didn't imagine you... 10-09-2008, 03:05 PM
Ragoczy If I'm understanding you... 10-09-2008, 03:54 PM
gagged_Louise I'd like to add I also think... 10-09-2008, 03:44 PM
Ragoczy And yet another tangent... 10-09-2008, 04:03 PM
Ragoczy Can an Obama supporter please... 10-14-2008, 07:15 PM
mkemse If you look at the quote you... 10-14-2008, 07:38 PM
Ragoczy Right ... that's the other... 10-15-2008, 03:58 PM
hopperboo NObama - The Big Spender... 10-15-2008, 08:03 PM
lucy Looks like a pretty good plan... 10-16-2008, 12:48 AM
hopperboo We don't need a Socialist as... 10-16-2008, 04:55 AM
DesertDom Purely on past records,... 10-16-2008, 05:36 AM
mkemse If Mccain wins we have 4 more... 10-16-2008, 08:51 AM
Ragoczy That's not going to happen. ... 10-16-2008, 12:42 PM
mkemse Mccain will be 4 more years... 10-16-2008, 12:52 PM
mkemse Nobama and our next President 10-15-2008, 08:11 PM
mkemse If Obama wins and all... 10-16-2008, 05:01 AM
hopperboo McCain is not Bush, and he... 10-16-2008, 05:18 AM
Ragoczy "Let's give him a chance"... 10-16-2008, 12:45 PM
denuseri I actually believe the... 10-16-2008, 12:06 PM
mkemse No Lieberman betrayd the... 10-16-2008, 12:47 PM
Ragoczy That scenario only holds... 10-16-2008, 01:44 PM
mkemse Yes there, is but there do... 10-16-2008, 02:32 PM
DesertDom No kidding, Lieberman did an... 10-16-2008, 01:34 PM
denuseri It is funny how the former VP... 10-16-2008, 01:25 PM
Kuskovian Funny how Biden changed his... 10-16-2008, 05:26 PM
mkemse Thanks for your feedback and... 10-16-2008, 07:07 PM
mkemse Actualy as I understand it... 10-16-2008, 07:11 PM
DesertDom This is another liberal... 10-17-2008, 04:47 PM
Kuskovian Ironic how Palin has more... 10-17-2008, 04:03 PM
Ragoczy Which one doesn't belong? 10-17-2008, 05:26 PM
hopperboo Oh, oh, oh! *Hopping up... 10-17-2008, 07:42 PM
denuseri Poor poor joe, he aint alone... 10-17-2008, 10:33 PM
Muskan Accoring to me, both maccain... 10-18-2008, 10:57 AM
DesertDom Last One Turn Out the Lights:... 10-18-2008, 12:16 PM
DesertDom Muskan, very well thought... 10-18-2008, 12:20 PM
denuseri Which is exactly why i am... 10-18-2008, 11:02 PM
DesertDom I happened to be in Jueanu... 10-19-2008, 10:56 AM
Muskan Barack Obama is currently... 10-22-2008, 12:29 AM
Dr_BuzzCzar "Make it a hundred...That... 10-22-2008, 11:31 AM
denuseri I voted early today at the... 10-22-2008, 01:00 PM
Dr_BuzzCzar 100% of the quotes are by... 10-22-2008, 05:05 PM
DesertDom I'm sure that you would not... 10-23-2008, 10:33 AM
hopperboo +1 I'm sure some of them... 10-23-2008, 11:08 AM
Dr_BuzzCzar Most (but not all) are... 10-23-2008, 05:38 PM
DesertDom Sorry, that is not... 10-24-2008, 11:53 AM
mkemse I agree and as someone once... 10-23-2008, 08:00 PM
Diablo I wasted my time reading... 10-23-2008, 09:37 PM
lucy hehehe, Diablo, you sure got... 10-24-2008, 01:03 AM
Ironwulf What you say is correct,... 10-24-2008, 01:55 PM
Diablo The polarization is in large... 10-24-2008, 02:58 PM
Kuskovian One could just as easily say... 10-24-2008, 08:00 PM
hopperboo I must totally disagree with... 10-25-2008, 12:05 PM
Diablo Look at Bush and especially... 10-25-2008, 04:31 PM
QuietMaster Sharing these videos. ... 10-25-2008, 11:03 PM
Muskan America needs something... 10-24-2008, 03:04 PM
Kuskovian Unfortunately in our current... 10-24-2008, 07:53 PM
mkemse I am not sure the the smoking... 10-25-2008, 12:18 PM
hopperboo No, some Reps support it too,... 10-25-2008, 12:29 PM
js207 That doesn't justify absolute... 10-25-2008, 12:30 PM
DesertDom Its the slippery slope. ... 10-25-2008, 12:37 PM
mkemse True but most places I have... 10-25-2008, 01:27 PM
Thorne That's true, but the other... 10-25-2008, 06:44 PM
mkemse Bush & Company have placed... 10-25-2008, 05:11 PM
QuietMaster ... plus McCain and Palin... 10-25-2008, 10:48 PM
mkemse Then that explains why the... 10-27-2008, 04:25 AM
QuietMaster They also ordered a third... 10-28-2008, 07:49 PM
mkemse I hear that also, byw Palin... 10-28-2008, 07:55 PM
hopperboo I agree. I think Bush is a... 10-25-2008, 05:47 PM
Thorne It's in the nature of any... 10-25-2008, 06:47 PM
mkemse No, in Bushes Case it isn't... 10-25-2008, 08:45 PM
Thorne Congress repeatedly passes... 10-25-2008, 09:53 PM
mkemse I know only Congress can pass... 10-25-2008, 10:21 PM
Ironwulf All americans, republicans or... 10-25-2008, 06:56 PM
mkemse Most House Resolutions if not... 10-25-2008, 10:25 PM
Muskan Ayn Rand! None of this has... 10-25-2008, 10:18 PM
Muskan The US are the most important... 10-27-2008, 03:01 AM
QuietMaster Redistribution/distribution... 10-28-2008, 07:45 PM
mkemse The Heritage Foundation which... 10-28-2008, 07:57 PM
hopperboo Until Obama ups his taxes... 10-28-2008, 07:59 PM
mkemse Only time will tel, let's see... 10-29-2008, 06:24 AM
mkemse Go to Taxcutfacts.org, type... 10-29-2008, 09:20 AM
skp2bear After voting Republican for... 10-29-2008, 06:08 AM
mkemse I knoe alot of very... 10-29-2008, 06:26 AM
mkemse If you make $20,000 no... 10-29-2008, 09:41 AM
tazzinnc Thats because you would be... 10-29-2008, 11:51 AM
mkemse Under Obama's plan id you... 10-29-2008, 01:54 PM
mkemse Not true, i had a job years... 10-29-2008, 01:57 PM
denuseri Please!!! does anyone really... 10-29-2008, 11:29 AM
mkemse After 8 years of what we have... 10-29-2008, 01:50 PM
mkemse I have no seen anytying that... 10-29-2008, 01:57 PM
mkemse I am far more fearful of... 10-29-2008, 02:00 PM
hopperboo Sorry. I just had to quote... 10-29-2008, 02:42 PM
mkemse I live in the United State Of... 10-29-2008, 03:32 PM
hopperboo Yup. I guess we'll agree to... 10-29-2008, 04:00 PM
mkemse No offense taken but I am... 10-29-2008, 04:15 PM
QuietMaster :wave: Would appreciate an... 10-29-2008, 10:02 PM
mkemse Nonoeo f this will happen... 10-30-2008, 04:22 AM
DesertDom Please, you really need to... 10-30-2008, 12:48 PM
mkemse and thats the point, of his... 10-30-2008, 02:12 PM
hopperboo Seriously though. Re-read it. 10-29-2008, 02:43 PM
mkemse My not Supporting McCain has... 10-29-2008, 03:38 PM
Torq OK,,Folks time for my ""Fair... 10-29-2008, 06:51 PM
mkemse Thanks and no problem 10-29-2008, 07:04 PM
hopperboo Yep. And I think we had it... 10-29-2008, 08:56 PM
denuseri I would hope that it is... 10-29-2008, 11:20 PM
lucy That's wrong. The most... 10-30-2008, 02:17 AM
denuseri For clarification purposes: ... 10-30-2008, 11:40 AM
QuietMaster Each individual, of course,... 10-30-2008, 10:32 PM
QuietMaster Feminism ... or women's... 10-30-2008, 11:25 PM
QuietMaster Both in Canada and the United... 10-30-2008, 11:56 PM
skp2bear They said our country wound... 10-30-2008, 09:27 AM
DesertDom I'm not concerned about his... 10-30-2008, 12:52 PM
Dr_BuzzCzar There's a huge difference... 10-30-2008, 04:05 PM
QuietMaster 1. In what specific ways do... 10-30-2008, 10:41 PM
denuseri Not my words but the analogy... 10-30-2008, 11:08 AM
Muskan FOX News Poll: Obama's Edge... 10-30-2008, 02:57 PM
mkemse Then it comes as an equal... 10-30-2008, 03:22 PM
mkemse and do i believe the CNN poll... 10-30-2008, 03:26 PM
QuietMaster The aggregate national... 10-30-2008, 10:14 PM
mkemse Youyr last line of your post,... 10-31-2008, 01:25 AM
Muskan Which Obama association... 10-31-2008, 03:52 AM
mkemse 1. All he did was buy land... 10-31-2008, 04:15 AM
Muskan Here's a prediction of the... 10-31-2008, 04:10 AM
Muskan btw who do you want in 20102?... 10-31-2008, 04:19 AM
mkemse I will wait to 2012 to decide... 10-31-2008, 04:34 AM
Muskan And mksme, you just needed... 10-31-2008, 04:21 AM
mkemse I do not see where i posted... 10-31-2008, 04:36 AM
mkemse FINI (on this thread anyway) 10-31-2008, 04:48 AM
Muskan Obama is a Socialist. He... 10-31-2008, 05:55 AM
lucy Wow, that's one hot... 10-31-2008, 06:15 AM
DesertDom I do have to agree with you... 10-31-2008, 10:42 AM
lucy Indeed, how else could anyone... 10-31-2008, 12:57 PM
hopperboo ...you know...I have to say I... 10-31-2008, 01:29 PM
Dr_BuzzCzar Obama is not a socialist,... 10-31-2008, 06:39 PM
hopperboo I beg to differ. (Get it,... 10-31-2008, 06:44 PM
Muskan Lemme reassure you: You're... 10-31-2008, 07:00 AM
skp2bear Please remember that most of... 10-31-2008, 07:51 AM
DesertDom The flaw in this belief is... 10-31-2008, 10:38 AM
Dr_BuzzCzar ..and don't forget "Signing... 10-31-2008, 06:22 PM
skp2bear Early voting ended here in... 11-01-2008, 10:06 AM
DesertDom The early voting is way... 11-01-2008, 12:04 PM
mkemse My understanding from the... 11-01-2008, 02:49 PM
mkemse Thanks, you are 100% correct... 11-01-2008, 04:15 PM
skp2bear During my 3 hours in line... 11-01-2008, 03:29 PM
mkemse In my area we have no seen... 11-01-2008, 04:13 PM
X surely political policies... 11-01-2008, 06:06 PM
skp2bear The final totals in Harris... 11-02-2008, 07:57 AM
mkemse As I underastand it Nation... 11-02-2008, 08:13 AM
denuseri With the election day finally... 11-04-2008, 05:14 PM
mkemse Thank you for your comment... 11-04-2008, 05:31 PM
mkemse some of the results are in,... 11-29-2008, 12:54 PM
denuseri All we can do is hope. I... 11-29-2008, 01:30 PM
mkemse Yes, but if they work... 11-29-2008, 01:46 PM
denuseri "Yes, but if they work... 11-30-2008, 11:20 AM
mkemse I i am still very much with... 11-30-2008, 11:40 AM
Dr_BuzzCzar A minority of economists feel... 11-30-2008, 07:22 PM
denuseri I fail to see how using a... 11-30-2008, 12:47 PM
mkemse Yes he is ,but as I hace said... 11-30-2008, 02:06 PM
denuseri You seem to have several... 11-30-2008, 02:48 PM
mkemse They were going to start... 11-30-2008, 03:18 PM
denuseri Thats funny the majority of... 12-01-2008, 12:50 AM
Dr_BuzzCzar 1. Please cite your source... 12-03-2008, 05:47 PM
denuseri 1. Please cite your source... 12-04-2008, 01:22 PM
Dr_BuzzCzar "Though it is not the war... 12-04-2008, 08:43 PM
mkemse Based on their differences... 12-01-2008, 03:28 AM
denuseri So what if she is, I am sure... 12-01-2008, 04:47 AM
mkemse How do you know he lacks the... 12-01-2008, 04:57 AM
mkemse Maybe but he won the... 12-01-2008, 04:56 AM
DesertDom Correction on your statement:... 12-01-2008, 09:41 PM
mkemse sorry i was off on th margin... 12-02-2008, 04:56 AM
DesertDom Yeah, your guy won and by... 12-02-2008, 08:03 AM
thewhiterabbit "Why Nobama?" WHY are we... 12-01-2008, 07:57 AM
mkemse That is what I have been... 12-01-2008, 08:43 AM
denuseri You have serious hate issues... 12-01-2008, 11:09 AM
mkemse sorry for hijacking the... 12-01-2008, 11:17 AM
denuseri There is going to be a test... 12-01-2008, 11:36 AM
mkemse no proble, will do more a bit... 12-01-2008, 11:57 AM
denuseri Quote: Originally Posted by... 12-02-2008, 12:49 PM
Matin bobby kennedy was a way... 12-03-2008, 07:32 AM
DesertDom Matin, whats scares me... 12-03-2008, 11:22 AM
mkemse Thanks, let's all just give... 12-03-2008, 12:06 PM
Matin i remember - vaguely - the... 12-04-2008, 10:24 AM
denuseri PULLEEZE............... ... 12-03-2008, 01:49 PM
mkemse No i was talking about what... 12-03-2008, 02:03 PM
denuseri He has his chance, four years... 12-03-2008, 03:09 PM
mkemse Nope not at all and thanks... 12-03-2008, 03:13 PM
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    You have serious hate issues apparently with Bush, who by the way has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

    Nor does any other political leader unless it's a direct corrolation or in relation to Obama in a dipolmatic capacity(which kennedy certianly is not other than lack of experience, at least lets hope he is not as i will explain in a side bar)

    One of which ( a foriegn religious leader) that was so eager to get him elected has now called him a rather derogative term refering to negro house servant/slave from the civil war era in a public challenge for him to surrender becuase he is seen as being "weak" by our enemies abroad.

    As for Obama he certianly can be worse. Way way worse infact. Though that does remain to be seen, just as it does with every newly elected official.

    If he really was so bold his selections for his running mate and cabinet positions etc would reflect that; alas they do not.

    On a side bar:

    As for Kennedy, oh my lets see, Mr flip flop, too scared to actually take on the Russians directly (hence the consolation prizes he offered the soviets to back down in cuba and his ability to get us going in Vietnam as overcompensation for past mistakes, disregarding the lessons of history so recent we allready learned them in Korea). I certianly hope Obama doesnt do anything like Kennedy did other than looking and speaking pretty that is, we allways want a pretty leader right?

    Kennedy continued the cold war policies of his rivals administration inherited from the Truman and Eisenhower. (Sounds suspiciously like what Obama is planning to do now in the middle east, unless he actually plans on invading Pakistan as he suggested during the election; probably becuase he really doesnt have a better idea other than surrender but thats beside the point.)

    In 1961, the USA had 50,000 troops based in Korea, and Kennedy faced a three-part crisis—the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion, the construction of the Berlin Wall, and a negotiated settlement between the pro-Western government of Laos and the Pathet Lao communist movement.

    These made Kennedy believe that another failure on the part of the United States to gain control and stop communist expansion would fatally damage U.S. credibility with its allies and his own reputation.

    Kennedy determined to "draw a line in the sand" and prevent a communist victory in Vietnam, said to James Reston of The New York Times immediately after meeting Khrushchev in Vienna:

    "Now we have a problem making our power credible and Vietnam looks like the place,"

    Kennedy then increased the number of U.S. military in Vietnam from 800 to 16,300. Begining a failed policey of increasing troop levels to contain the esculating situation. Dont be surprised when Obama has this done in Afganistan and later Pakistan.

    Which didnt ultimately work becuase it didnt enfranchise the local population with any real authority as General David Howell Petraeus stratagy has successfully done in Iraq (looks like Petraeus does study history). So mabey there is hope for Obama, alltough I doubt that America can afford to keep invading one country over there after another for long.

    Doesnt sound like a successful administration for Kennedy by any account to me and if Obama's is anything like it it doesnt look promising for his.

    Back to the actual topic of Obama and to address the election results you seem to claim give him such broad support:

    The electoral college hardly reflects the voting publics endorsment or full support.

    Where as the popular vote is much more indicative of opinion.

    52% does not a mandate from heaven make by any ones count.

    It means allmost half of the voting public has been dis-enfanchised.

    Not the first time such a thing has happened in American history, nor the last, of that I am sure.
    Last edited by denuseri; 12-01-2008 at 11:21 AM.
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