Gorean Philosophies

[E.C. Holland]

[B][COLOR="Pink"]So then by that suposition you propose that if any ethical system is established it should be unviversally enforced in a catagorical sence?

I wonder if any society has ever succesfully accomplished that for very long.

How very Kant of you to say we can't have an ethical system than doesnt apply as an ethical system unless it applies to everyone.

In actual reality the truth of it is that each and every one of us accepts those ethical values that we choose to accept and applies them as we each see fit.

Here you differ from all the virtue ethicists I can think of off the top of my head (including Aristotle, Aquinas, MacIntyre, and...especially...Ayn Rand) who believe that their system of morality applies not just to those who happen to agree with it, but also to everyone else.

If you think that moral systems are merely a matter of personal choice and disposition, you're not aligned with virtue ethics, but emotivism.

We may say that what we believe is the right way for all of humanity but that doesnt change the fact that others may disagree. Nor does it mean that we must be at war forcing them to do so unless they are physically threatening us.

But at the heart of any brand of moral realism is the threat that members might ethically enforce their way of thinking because it is, in fact, the right way of thinking. (you quoted Norman earlier as saying that even women who are first forced eventually find fulfillment--the implication is clearly that that the ends justify the means).

It is no more a "role playing game" for those of us who embrace the ethical virtures expoused by Norman than it is a role playing game for Taoists, Epicurians, or Stoics etc etc.

No, it's more a role-playing game for you, because when you're pushed on its real-world consequences, you back off and say its only true for those who want it to be true. I think you'll find that the Taoists and most brands of Greek philosophers consider their theories to apply to everyone.

I also allready answered your question in a previous post Holland and I will say it again in case you are having trouble understanding.

Norman never says that the female of the species should be catagorically forced into submission.

And I already asked you and you haven't answered (in case you're having trouble understanding)...are there specific women who should be forced to submit? If so, who decides who and when? The dominant male?