Quote Originally Posted by E.C. Holland View Post
Rick,

I'm grateful for the extended quotation, but I'm not sure how you think it changes the context of my questions. The operative word continues to be "forced." What I want to know is whether, according to the followers of Norman, there are some women it is permissible to FORCE to submit, because it will result in their fulfillment.

It's clear to me how Norman feels on this issue--at least, how he feels within the context of his fictional world. What is still unclear to me, even after several direct questions on the subject, is whether those who here in the real world consider themselves "Goreans" believe that some women benefit by being forced to submit against their wills.

EC,

The reason why I said what I did is becasue all too many people take a quote and twist it to fit them. As UbarLuther said in his Gorean Education Scrolls (Scroll 81: Using Book Quotes)
It is very common for people to use a quote from the Gorean novels to support a proposition. Yet, a quote along may not guarantee the validity of a proposition
He also went on to say that a single quote out of the over 10,000 pages of information from the 26 (soon to be 27) Gorean seriesmay not be sufficient to prove anything.

He also came up with some guidelines in how to analyze a quote in an attempt to determine and enhance its credibility and applicability, but not the ONLY path to their destination.

  1. We should determine whether the quote is even applicable to the proposition we seek to prove
  2. We should determine whether the quote appears ambiguous or not
  3. We should examine who is speaking in the quote
  4. We need to determine the context of the quote
  5. We should try to locate other quotes that deal with the subject of the quote in question
  6. We must be sure to view most quotes through the eyes of a Gorean and not an Earth person
  7. We should consider whether a quote is an example of behavior or a more general statement about that behavior
  8. It can be important to acertain which book a quote comes from
  9. We should also consider the situation where there are no quotes that specifically prohibit something on Gor


I had noticed in my own research (and I only have the first 15 books plus book 26 in book form but all of the others on my computer) that Norman had changed his mind on certain things in the latter books and that they are more authoritative as they are the ones that underwent more thought and organization. I would recommend looking through the novels to find more quotes of what you are trying to bring forth, especialy since there might some quotes which contradict what you are trying to say.