Rick,

I'm not "trying to say" anything. I'm only asking a question. This thread was started to discuss the Gorean philosophy, so I expected to be able to get a straightforward answer to this pretty basic question. Or, if the issue is truly so much more complex than it seems, I'd think some of those who allege to find the philosophy of these books so personally meaningful might offer an educated guess.

I suppose that's not going to happen. Have a nice day.