we are so 'civilised' these days... yet so uncivil, to see how we still treat each other - by we i mean humanity in general, not the people here => - thanks ozme for the reminder on prop 8; i thought for sure given the huge outpouring of support from us young people on that that we had it... but they won by a long shot. it only goes to prove the strange intolerance still plaguing our 'enlightened' times...

did you know that a lot of the black christian leaders in cali were calling for yes on prop 8? i asked my black friends 'what's up with the discrimination, you know, cause didn't you guys just go thru that not to long ago???!'

of course i don't know many religious people, so they thought i was being funny...

i can't really beat on catholics too much, they've never been anything but good to me, as people, but such a dichotomy there between the folk you'd meet at the church itself and the values of the institution.

not logical...