I am also not going to delve into Clinton (the president who popularized being crooked and not just over a blowjob eaither btw far worse things went on and IMHO is not all that different from GW Bush two sides of the same dirty coin at any rate).

I would deffinetly suggest another thread for him too. lol

IMHO if a "Bush" was to be in the White House other than Bush Senior (who was very cualified administrativly speaking for the position in many ways that none of the men who have followed after him ever were) it should have been Jeb Bush. My father called me at work and honestly confessed to doing a WTF kind of double take and threw the F bomb around the house a few times when he heard GW was running instead of Jeb.

Later when I studdied things more closely (becuase honestly I was not all that much into politics back then unless its was somthing big deal like `despite my daddy wishing me to be) I could never understand why GW was chosen over his much more competant brother eaither.

When I voted for the first time in a presidential election (I was registered democrat back then just to spite my parents) I voted for Bush. Not to fault Gore all that much but he was boreing and wodden and I didnt like his economics, eaither way sometimes I think the patrician powers decide how its going to be before hand depite whatever we plebs decide in an election.

By the time the second presidential bid came up I was much more knowledgable about such things and I voted for Kerry as an informed desicion and not just another cog in the party wheel (despite my having changed to the republican party lol damm I am contrary). Informed in so much as I just wanted allmost anyone else to replace GW, even if I didnt like some things about the new person.

I really believe GW Bush let things slide with the economy too much as well as giving in to the masications of Chenney. I think he was manipulated to a certian degree by opportunistic advisors, elitist entitlment and his own pride. He didnt make the same kind of sacrifice his father did to obtain his office by hard work and comitment. Spoiled and petulent like most offspring of the upper crust he made many many mistakes.

The attitude prevelant in administrations such as his and Clintons before him (similar backgrounds in many ways coming from pampered elitest society) has allways been one of "I can do what ever I want becuase I am the big cheese and therefore not to be questioned" .Typical of many an Anthenian tyrant during the heydays of that fledgling democracy summed up very well in a paraphrased quote from Xenophon:

" Kill one man and you are tried as a murderer, kill a thousand and you are hailed as a victor."

In other words, I don't believe GW, his imediate predessesor, nor his replacement ever has really had anyone but his own best intrests in mind.