Bush's Place in History.

[mkemse]

To keep this thread soley on Bush's Legacy which is what it started out as, I started a new Thread to Debate Obama and the 2 Parties and beliefs, please lets keep this thread just Bush as it was intenended to be, and use the other thread just for Obama and what peole feel about things he is working on and has done or attepmting to do

Just rspect everyones point of view, you may not agree with them but at least afford them the courtesy to expreess their views, that is what these threads are for to express your view point and remember it is YOUR POINT of view not everyones point of view in most cases

[wmrs2]

To keep this thread soley on Bush's Legacy which is what it started out as, I started a new Thread to Debate Obama and the 2 Parties and beliefs, please lets keep this thread just Bush as it was intenended to be, and use the other thread just for Obama and what peole feel about things he is working on and has done or attepmting to do

Just rspect everyones point of view, you may not agree with them but at least afford them the courtesy to expreess their views, that is what these threads are for to express your view point and remember it is YOUR POINT of view not everyones point of view in most cases

The majority of my post are on topic. You are the one that gets off topic in trying to defend your distorted view of world politics. The statement of one's political philosophy has everything to do with the legacy of GW Bush. You do not take as seriously the criticism of a Russian Communist of Ronald Regan because a serious communist is going to hate Regan for what he did to the socialist. The legacy of Bush as presented by Bush haters is flawed with bigotry. Don't you see, your opinion of Bush is not going to change because he beat you so many times. You call his legacy stupid but he outsmarted you. The Democrats never did defeat Bush but now they are attempting to spoil his legacy.

Why do you not respond to the quote about the frame of reference that Bush is judged by? Here it is:
"It may come to pass that the socialist in the Democratic Party will win out and America will become a socialist state like the majority of European countries. Those people in the Democratic Party who say America has lost respect and creditability with our allies are actually referring to the socialist and liberal politicians in Europe who sometimes do not speak for the majority of the people in their own countries. France is a great example of this fact. One election and suddenly the French love America."

"Democrats like to say we have lost respect in the eyes of the world but that is simply the opinion of liberals, socialist, and communist foreign and domestic. You can say about anything and back it up with facts, as you often do, but that does not mean that you are telling the whole story. Telling the truth to spin your political view may not be the way the real world is."

These statements have everything to do with Bush's place in history. Why do you not respond to these statements instead of lecturing us about staying on topic? The answer is that Bush's place in history is being framed by the liberals who control the news media. Your research is always going to be negative about Bush. Why?

No one cares that you say you are not a socialist or a communist. Since you are trying to frame Bush's place in history, it is fair to point out the frame of reference by which you judge the man. Like I stated, you have a right to your opinion but my opinion is that you are a liberal politician with liberal points of view; therefore, you are going to judge Bush harshly like the liberal Europeans do. You can do that. It is you right to do so.However, Bush's legacy may not be written by a liberal interpretation of history. If it is written by a conservative media, he will be considered among the great presidents.

I hope this is on topic enough for you to respond to what is actually said about Bush's place in history.

You obviously resent being classified as a socialist. Perhaps you should review your beliefs then to decide whether or not you want to remain in the Democratic Party. We certainly could use a fine fellow like you in our party. If I can help you understand your point of view better, or I should say, the point of view of the Democratic Party's point of view. just let me know. The help will always be here for you.

[mkemse]

The majority of my post are on topic. You are the one that gets off topic in trying to defend your distorted view of world politics. The statement of one's political philosophy has everything to do with the legacy of GW Bush. You do not take as seriously the criticism of a Russian Communist of Ronald Regan because a serious communist is going to hate Regan for what he did to the socialist. The legacy of Bush as presented by Bush haters is flawed with bigotry. Don't you see, your opinion of Bush is not going to change because he beat you so many times. You call his legacy stupid but he outsmarted you. The Democrats never did defeat Bush but now they are attempting to spoil his legacy.

Why do you not respond to the quote about the frame of reference that Bush is judged by? Here it is:
"It may come to pass that the socialist in the Democratic Party will win out and America will become a socialist state like the majority of European countries. Those people in the Democratic Party who say America has lost respect and creditability with our allies are actually referring to the socialist and liberal politicians in Europe who sometimes do not speak for the majority of the people in their own countries. France is a great example of this fact. One election and suddenly the French love America."

"Democrats like to say we have lost respect in the eyes of the world but that is simply the opinion of liberals, socialist, and communist foreign and domestic. You can say about anything and back it up with facts, as you often do, but that does not mean that you are telling the whole story. Telling the truth to spin your political view may not be the way the real world is."

These statements have everything to do with Bush's place in history. Why do you not respond to these statements instead of lecturing us about staying on topic? The answer is that Bush's place in history is being framed by the liberals who control the news media. Your research is always going to be negative about Bush. Why?

No one cares that you say you are not a socialist or a communist. Since you are trying to frame Bush's place in history, it is fair to point out the frame of reference by which you judge the man. Like I stated, you have a right to your opinion but my opinion is that you are a liberal politician with liberal points of view; therefore, you are going to judge Bush harshly like the liberal Europeans do. You can do that. It is you right to do so.However, Bush's legacy may not be written by a liberal interpretation of history. If it is written by a conservative media, he will be considered among the great presidents.

I hope this is on topic enough for you to respond to what is actually said about Bush's place in history.

You obviously resent being classified as a socialist. Perhaps you should review your beliefs then to decide whether or not you want to remain in the Democratic Party. We certainly could use a fine fellow like you in our party. If I can help you understand your point of view better, or I should say, the point of view of the Democratic Party's point of view. just let me know. The help will always be here for you.

I do resent it because I am not a Socialist, being a Democrat does NOT make me a socialist regasdless of how you view it
Again I am NOT a Socialist I am not a Communist can't be any clearer then that

[Belgarold]

The majority of my post are on topic. You are the one that gets off topic in trying to defend your distorted view of world politics. The statement of one's political philosophy has everything to do with the legacy of GW Bush. You do not take as seriously the criticism of a Russian Communist of Ronald Regan because a serious communist is going to hate Regan for what he did to the socialist. The legacy of Bush as presented by Bush haters is flawed with bigotry. Don't you see, your opinion of Bush is not going to change because he beat you so many times. You call his legacy stupid but he outsmarted you. The Democrats never did defeat Bush but now they are attempting to spoil his legacy.

Why do you not respond to the quote about the frame of reference that Bush is judged by? Here it is:
"It may come to pass that the socialist in the Democratic Party will win out and America will become a socialist state like the majority of European countries. Those people in the Democratic Party who say America has lost respect and creditability with our allies are actually referring to the socialist and liberal politicians in Europe who sometimes do not speak for the majority of the people in their own countries. France is a great example of this fact. One election and suddenly the French love America."

"Democrats like to say we have lost respect in the eyes of the world but that is simply the opinion of liberals, socialist, and communist foreign and domestic. You can say about anything and back it up with facts, as you often do, but that does not mean that you are telling the whole story. Telling the truth to spin your political view may not be the way the real world is."

These statements have everything to do with Bush's place in history. Why do you not respond to these statements instead of lecturing us about staying on topic? The answer is that Bush's place in history is being framed by the liberals who control the news media. Your research is always going to be negative about Bush. Why?

No one cares that you say you are not a socialist or a communist. Since you are trying to frame Bush's place in history, it is fair to point out the frame of reference by which you judge the man. Like I stated, you have a right to your opinion but my opinion is that you are a liberal politician with liberal points of view; therefore, you are going to judge Bush harshly like the liberal Europeans do. You can do that. It is you right to do so.However, Bush's legacy may not be written by a liberal interpretation of history. If it is written by a conservative media, he will be considered among the great presidents.

I hope this is on topic enough for you to respond to what is actually said about Bush's place in history.

You obviously resent being classified as a socialist. Perhaps you should review your beliefs then to decide whether or not you want to remain in the Democratic Party. We certainly could use a fine fellow like you in our party. If I can help you understand your point of view better, or I should say, the point of view of the Democratic Party's point of view. just let me know. The help will always be here for you.

ANd please stop whining and blaming everyone and everything else but where the responsibility for the Bush legacy belongs. In Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Karl Rove and all the people who helped to make mistakes and never take any responsibility. Cowards and whiners all.

It is ALWAYS someone else's fault. It would be hilarious if it hadn't destroyed the ecoonomy, our reputation in the world and our constitution. Blame whomever you want. Real Americans KNOW where the fault lies and they expressed that knowledge on Nov. 4.

[wmrs2]

ANd please stop whining and blaming everyone and everything else but where the responsibility for the Bush legacy belongs. In Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Karl Rove and all the people who helped to make mistakes and never take any responsibility. Cowards and whiners all.

It is ALWAYS someone else's fault. It would be hilarious if it hadn't destroyed the ecoonomy, our reputation in the world and our constitution. Blame whomever you want. Real Americans KNOW where the fault lies and they expressed that knowledge on Nov. 4.

Belgarold, I do not wish to be unkind. I am not smug and I do not call names, nor do I refer to people who present opposing views as "cowards whiners." Irue intellectuals on this forum have agreed that no one person or party is responsible for the world recession. Talk about whining,the best thing you could do for the country is to get over Bush, Cheney, Rove and all the people who beat you fair and square in the election of 2000 and 2004 just like I must put the election of 2008 behind me and do what is best for the country.

It is a myth that Bush destroyed the economy, our reputation, and the Constitution of the USA. However, liberals all over the world agree with you but that does not make it true. But fact is, liberals are the ones who have whined for 8 years, not Rove, Cheney and Bush. You are angry at them because they have not whined but have taken responsibility for their actions.
Democrats are not kind or objective enough just yet to write the legacy of Bush into history.

For too many Democrats it is difficult to be gracious in victory after spouting the venom of Bush hate all these years but be patient, Bush is gone now. He can not hurt you any more. Your sores will heal in time and you can channel your efforts into helping Obama save the country.

Can you not be gracious in victory? That is what true Americas do. When the election is over, they pull together. That is what real Americans know. Real Americans are good sports and seek ways to bind the country together in a mighty force. Part of Bush's legacy will be that he did that whereas the Democrats failed that test in 2000. You could do the country more honor by being gracious rather than continuing the rant towards Bush's legacy. I guarantee you that his legacy will be written different than you want it to be written.
Thank you for listening to my point of view and thank you for yours.
wmrs2

[Belgarold]

Belgarold, I do not wish to be unkind. I am not smug and I do not call names, nor do I refer to people who present opposing views as "cowards whiners." Irue intellectuals on this forum have agreed that no one person or party is responsible for the world recession. Talk about whining,the best thing you could do for the country is to get over Bush, Cheney, Rove and all the people who beat you fair and square in the election of 2000 and 2004 just like I must put the election of 2008 behind me and do what is best for the country.

It is a myth that Bush destroyed the economy, our reputation, and the Constitution of the USA. However, liberals all over the world agree with you but that does not make it true. But fact is, liberals are the ones who have whined for 8 years, not Rove, Cheney and Bush. You are angry at them because they have not whined but have taken responsibility for their actions.
Democrats are not kind or objective enough just yet to write the legacy of Bush into history.

For too many Democrats it is difficult to be gracious in victory after spouting the venom of Bush hate all these years but be patient, Bush is gone now. He can not hurt you any more. Your sores will heal in time and you can channel your efforts into helping Obama save the country.

Can you not be gracious in victory? That is what true Americas do. When the election is over, they pull together. That is what real Americans know. Real Americans are good sports and seek ways to bind the country together in a mighty force. Part of Bush's legacy will be that he did that whereas the Democrats failed that test in 2000. You could do the country more honor by being gracious rather than continuing the rant towards Bush's legacy. I guarantee you that his legacy will be written different than you want it to be written.
Thank you for listening to my point of view and thank you for yours.
wmrs2

You know, saying something does not automatically mean it is magically true.

You HAVE called ALL Democrats Socialists and Communists. Is this true? Not by a long shot. THIS IS CALLING NAMES.

LOL. In this post alone you say you do NOT call people who hold opposing views cowards and whiners and then you state, "Talk about whining . . ." THIS IS CALLING SOMEONE WHO HOLDS AN OPPOSING VIEW A WHINER.

"True intellectuals . . ." SMUGNESS AND SUPERIORITY by definition. I hope, you are not calling yourself elitist. LOL.

And that is just the first few sentences of your post. It does not even mention the ridiculous notion that Bush and company took ANY responsibility for ANY of the many mistakes they made.

And HOW are republicans being gracious in defeat. They are all fighting the president every step of the way. Some, like Alan Keyes, have leveled veiled threats of assassination.

Joe the Plumber (Sam the Opportunist) has proposed armed military action against members of Congress. Rush Limbaugh wants the American Economy to fail.

Now I KNOW from the evidence of your previous posts that you will just deny these things ever happened. So this will be my last post on the subject. "True Intellectuals" know when someone is not worth their time.

[Diablo]

wmrs2, Belgarold keep it civil and on topic or take it elsewhere. If this thread can not stay on topic and continues to produce flames it WILL BE CLOSED.

DIABLO

[mkemse]

You know, saying something does not automatically mean it is magically true.

You HAVE called ALL Democrats Socialists and Communists. Is this true? Not by a long shot. THIS IS CALLING NAMES.

LOL. In this post alone you say you do NOT call people who hold opposing views cowards and whiners and then you state, "Talk about whining . . ." THIS IS CALLING SOMEONE WHO HOLDS AN OPPOSING VIEW A WHINER.

"True intellectuals . . ." SMUGNESS AND SUPERIORITY by definition. I hope, you are not calling yourself elitist. LOL.

And that is just the first few sentences of your post. It does not even mention the ridiculous notion that Bush and company took ANY responsibility for ANY of the many mistakes they made.

And HOW are republicans being gracious in defeat. They are all fighting the president every step of the way. Some, like Alan Keyes, have leveled veiled threats of assassination.

Joe the Plumber (Sam the Opportunist) has proposed armed military action against members of Congress. Rush Limbaugh wants the American Economy to fail.

Now I KNOW from the evidence of your previous posts that you will just deny these things ever happened. So this will be my last post on the subject. "True Intellectuals" know when someone is not worth their time.

THANK YOU
Apparently if our view do not coincide with their we are Liberaal Comunist Democrats, that is beyond Laughable

[DuncanONeil]

"(A)ll the people who helped to make mistakes and never take any responsibility. Cowards and whiners all."

You mean like Teddy Kennedy?