Climategate

[denuseri]

Again, the glaciers are not found only on the poles, and the reductions I am speaking of are world wide and they have been more rapid in over all reduction than ever before. Way more rapid. Previous changes have for the most part taken place over thousands of years (except the changes shown to come from stellar impacts). This change has been far far quicker (like recorded within most of our lifetimes).

Also, I am not saying that we as of yet know what extent of the recent rapid warming trend is due directly to humanity. Or when and if its going to tilt back the other way. So far its really showing signs of hitting a complete melting progression point and not going back into some kind of cooling mode.

That point is moot anyway. We have to adapt to the enviroment and be ready to adapt rapidly or face the consequences.

I fail to see how converting our power and transportation infrastructures away from ones based on unrenewable fossil fuels that are allready showing signs of dwindling (and have been since we reached peak production and aquisition levels in the early 80's) to more self sufficient means is going to be a bad thing for anyone other than greedy global corperations (mainly big oil and coal) who dont give a dam about us as consumers anyway only about our money.

Changing ahead of time is going to be key. We sure are not going to be able to change once its too late. And when china and india start really sucking on the rescources which is coming sooner than you think, its allready starting, we will be wishing we did something now rather than have to scrape along asking for handouts later.

[DuncanONeil]

"Again, the glaciers are not found only on the poles, and the reductions I am speaking of are world wide and they have been more rapid in over all reduction than ever before. Way more rapid. Previous changes have for the most part taken place over thousands of years (except the changes shown to come from stellar impacts). This change has been far far quicker (like recorded within most of our lifetimes)."
We do not really know that. That is taking the axiom; "history begins when you are born", to the extreme. The simplest refutation is the Vikings and Greenland! The Norse settlements along the southwestern coast eventually disappeared after about 500 years. That is very rapid action for the planet!

Again, the glaciers are not found only on the poles, and the reductions I am speaking of are world wide and they have been more rapid in over all reduction than ever before. Way more rapid. Previous changes have for the most part taken place over thousands of years (except the changes shown to come from stellar impacts). This change has been far far quicker (like recorded within most of our lifetimes).

Also, I am not saying that we as of yet know what extent of the recent rapid warming trend is due directly to humanity. Or when and if its going to tilt back the other way. So far its really showing signs of hitting a complete melting progression point and not going back into some kind of cooling mode.

That point is moot anyway. We have to adapt to the enviroment and be ready to adapt rapidly or face the consequences.

I fail to see how converting our power and transportation infrastructures away from ones based on unrenewable fossil fuels that are allready showing signs of dwindling (and have been since we reached peak production and aquisition levels in the early 80's) to more self sufficient means is going to be a bad thing for anyone other than greedy global corperations (mainly big oil and coal) who dont give a dam about us as consumers anyway only about our money.

Changing ahead of time is going to be key. We sure are not going to be able to change once its too late. And when china and india start really sucking on the rescources which is coming sooner than you think, its allready starting, we will be wishing we did something now rather than have to scrape along asking for handouts later.