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steelish Climategate 12-18-2009, 12:02 PM

Thorne I used to think this way,... 12-18-2009, 12:46 PM

steelish What's the evidence? Forgive... 12-18-2009, 01:41 PM

Thorne The evidence is there, in... 12-18-2009, 02:40 PM

steelish like this... 12-18-2009, 02:54 PM

DuncanONeil And all of the scenarios... 12-19-2009, 09:11 PM

Seroquel When the worst case scenario... 12-19-2009, 09:14 PM

Lion This thread sounds like the... 12-19-2009, 09:22 PM

DuncanONeil That is not even on the... 12-19-2009, 10:35 PM

Ultraprene The evidence for climate... 02-28-2011, 11:26 AM

Thorne Only if you can't admit that... 02-28-2011, 01:13 PM

Wiscoman A couple of things; first,... 12-18-2009, 12:56 PM

steelish I never said "this is all... 12-18-2009, 02:11 PM

Wiscoman And I said there was... 12-18-2009, 04:52 PM

SadisticNature Both Sides rather Naive 12-18-2009, 05:16 PM

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steelish lol. No, that's proof... 12-19-2009, 06:09 AM

Lion lol 12-19-2009, 08:43 AM

DuncanONeil As there is no PROOF to your... 12-19-2009, 09:33 PM

Midnytedreams That is not "proof-positive"... 12-19-2009, 09:40 PM

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DuncanONeil There is no cap and trade on... 12-19-2009, 09:21 PM

Wiscoman Sorry, but that's bullshit. ... 12-19-2009, 11:40 PM

DuncanONeil Bit harsh don't you think? ... 12-19-2009, 11:48 PM

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Ozme52 I agree steelish... the... 12-18-2009, 03:42 PM

VaAugusta Maybe it is natural for the... 12-18-2009, 04:32 PM

DuncanONeil And what do we do when the... 12-19-2009, 09:27 PM

Lion What does CO2 reductions have... 12-19-2009, 09:31 PM

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DuncanONeil Getting off foreign oil? ... 12-19-2009, 09:24 PM

Ozme52 Do we need to? ;) Switch... 12-19-2009, 09:41 PM

DuncanONeil You have some interesting... 12-19-2009, 10:46 PM

Lion I'm in the Climate change is... 12-18-2009, 05:04 PM

DuncanONeil You pick on Hong Kong as an... 12-19-2009, 09:38 PM

Lion Can you elaborate please? I... 12-19-2009, 09:42 PM

DuncanONeil I heard a presentation by an... 12-19-2009, 10:50 PM

IAN 2411 I saw a National Geographic... 12-18-2009, 05:12 PM

IAN 2411 Wiscoman, with respect read... 12-19-2009, 03:54 PM

Wiscoman Ian, I've got to ask the most... 12-19-2009, 04:10 PM

DuncanONeil Actually you are arguing... 12-19-2009, 10:30 PM

Seroquel The best thing to do is to... 12-19-2009, 08:35 PM

DuncanONeil Question! What is the use of... 12-19-2009, 10:31 PM

Midnytedreams As I said before follow the... 12-19-2009, 09:01 PM

DuncanONeil Copenhagen is an Obama style... 12-19-2009, 10:33 PM

Midnytedreams Guess who is the primary... 12-19-2009, 09:04 PM

DuncanONeil Well! This is a volatile... 12-19-2009, 09:08 PM

Ozme52 My point exactly. If not for... 12-19-2009, 09:24 PM

Thorne There is no "right"... 12-20-2009, 06:22 AM

DuncanONeil Your response is a tautology!... 12-25-2009, 01:43 PM

Ozme52 Whoever claimed "we all die"... 12-19-2009, 09:23 PM

DuncanONeil But such a diversion is... 12-19-2009, 10:36 PM

Midnytedreams A reason the summit... 12-19-2009, 09:23 PM

Lion You 'mericans do you y'all... 12-19-2009, 09:42 PM

DuncanONeil Four of the top five sources... 12-19-2009, 10:51 PM

Midnytedreams Duncan it is called a debate... 12-19-2009, 09:59 PM

DuncanONeil Which post? 12-19-2009, 10:52 PM

IAN 2411 Duncan, Wiscoman, you have... 12-20-2009, 01:17 AM

Wiscoman I'm not happy with Copenhagen... 12-20-2009, 09:09 AM

DuncanONeil So if you are on a ship and... 12-25-2009, 02:06 PM

DuncanONeil The plan is for there to be... 12-25-2009, 01:39 PM

denuseri I told ya the "Sun" has more... 12-20-2009, 08:16 AM

DuncanONeil The reason that the "hacking"... 12-25-2009, 02:04 PM

steelish My issue is that it is almost... 12-20-2009, 10:37 AM

Wiscoman How is regulating industry... 12-20-2009, 12:20 PM

DuncanONeil Regulating CO2 emissions is... 12-25-2009, 02:15 PM

steelish Define "threat" the EXACT... 12-27-2009, 06:31 AM

DuncanONeil And at the same time we are... 12-27-2009, 06:57 AM

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Ozme52 Here's the perfect article: ... 12-22-2009, 08:37 AM

SadisticNature Easy solution 12-22-2009, 09:57 AM

TantricSoul As the friendly neighborhood... 01-06-2010, 09:04 AM

leo9 I've stayed out of this... 01-06-2010, 02:13 PM

DuncanONeil I'd be willing to respond but... 01-07-2010, 10:11 AM

leo9 My point exactly. There was... 01-10-2010, 02:02 AM

DuncanONeil "(Y)ear after year the things... 01-10-2010, 02:29 PM

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steelish No one claimed the data is... 01-07-2010, 10:35 AM

DuncanONeil Do not forget that that... 01-09-2010, 05:08 PM

leo9 On the contrary, many people... 01-10-2010, 01:40 AM

Thorne The Earth's internal heat is... 01-10-2010, 06:05 AM

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DuncanONeil Not according to Gore who has... 01-10-2010, 02:30 PM

steelish I meant, no one in this... 01-10-2010, 01:21 PM

leo9 No, you're right, Duncan said... 01-10-2010, 02:38 PM

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skp2bear In Houston this morning at... 01-07-2010, 10:42 AM

steelish Ah, but have no doubt...the... 01-07-2010, 10:44 AM

DuncanONeil That is one of the reasons... 01-09-2010, 05:10 PM

IAN 2411 Quote: Originally Posted by... 01-10-2010, 07:48 AM

leo9 Scientists make mistakes. ... 01-10-2010, 08:48 AM

DuncanONeil Do you even understand what a... 01-10-2010, 02:50 PM

Thorne [QUOTE=DuncanONeil;835804]... 01-10-2010, 03:26 PM

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DuncanONeil "I believe it was me that... 01-10-2010, 02:33 PM

DuncanONeil "no one wants to believe... 01-10-2010, 02:39 PM

leo9 Reason to worry seriously 01-14-2010, 01:43 PM

steelish I hear the end of life as we... 01-14-2010, 03:20 PM

leo9 So far as the economy and my... 01-14-2010, 06:43 PM

steelish You do realize I was being... 01-15-2010, 10:21 AM

leo9 :) Yeah, but I already had... 01-15-2010, 02:21 PM

denuseri So all this el nino stuff has... 01-14-2010, 04:00 PM

leo9 This is true. Like the bad... 01-14-2010, 06:56 PM

DuncanONeil It appears now the the prime... 02-15-2010, 12:39 PM

leo9 Whilst I do take your point... 02-15-2010, 02:10 PM

DuncanONeil From an interview with the... 02-15-2010, 04:16 PM

DuncanONeil I take it you missed the... 01-16-2010, 01:30 PM

Thorne Space isn't the issue. Food... 01-16-2010, 09:22 PM

DuncanONeil Since we would not need so... 01-17-2010, 01:48 PM

steelish lol 01-16-2010, 08:45 AM

denuseri And this would reduce the... 01-16-2010, 05:58 PM

DuncanONeil Well many people would have... 01-17-2010, 01:44 PM

denuseri Is it? Just becuase Europe... 01-17-2010, 02:11 PM

leo9 You do realise that you have... 02-02-2010, 04:57 PM

denuseri None of the above Leo, it is... 02-06-2010, 04:19 PM

leo9 Climate cycles are on a... 02-06-2010, 04:59 PM

steelish Oh my... 02-15-2010, 05:10 PM

steelish For those of you who did not... 02-16-2010, 03:30 AM

leo9 And this shows just how wrong... 02-17-2010, 02:38 PM

DuncanONeil I did read the text of the... 02-21-2010, 09:38 AM

denuseri I have no problem with... 02-16-2010, 10:18 AM

steelish On all of this, I agree... 02-16-2010, 10:55 AM

DuncanONeil Cap and trade is a very bad... 02-17-2010, 09:57 AM

steelish exactly 02-17-2010, 10:00 AM

symphony I beg to differ!! Top... 02-17-2010, 06:52 AM

DuncanONeil Please read message #194 &... 02-17-2010, 09:58 AM

steelish And my point is...in the US... 02-17-2010, 11:19 AM

leo9 Except for the Murdoch... 02-18-2010, 02:41 PM

DuncanONeil Did not quite realize how... 02-21-2010, 09:45 AM

DuncanONeil And I think the ratio is not... 02-21-2010, 09:18 AM

steelish Maybe in the UK the news... 02-17-2010, 09:26 AM

steelish Here... 02-17-2010, 09:59 AM

symphony i did read them, thats why i... 02-17-2010, 10:11 AM

DuncanONeil When even the Guru of AGW... 02-21-2010, 09:16 AM

steelish The actual text (which I did... 02-18-2010, 03:27 AM

leo9 Interesting, thanks for... 02-18-2010, 02:37 PM

steelish in 1860 there were no... 02-18-2010, 08:05 PM

denuseri Thats becuase there is... 02-18-2010, 03:18 PM

MMI The Industrial Revolution in... 02-19-2010, 04:45 AM

Thorne While that would have had... 02-19-2010, 06:26 AM

DuncanONeil Then how do you account for... 02-21-2010, 09:51 AM

MMI Yeah. I think you're right.... 02-19-2010, 06:47 AM

denuseri Burning fires of allmost any... 02-19-2010, 01:16 PM

DuncanONeil I do not always agree with... 02-21-2010, 09:57 AM

steelish Don't forget that those... 02-19-2010, 04:56 PM

denuseri All while the glaciers have... 02-19-2010, 09:45 PM

DuncanONeil However those very glaciers... 02-21-2010, 09:59 AM

steelish Actually, there is evidence... 02-20-2010, 03:22 AM

steelish Another thing to... 02-20-2010, 03:34 AM

denuseri Again, the glaciers are not... 02-20-2010, 10:00 AM

DuncanONeil "Again, the glaciers are not... 02-21-2010, 10:04 AM

steelish It's funny how much "Big Oil"... 02-20-2010, 08:04 PM

denuseri Corn ethanol is hardely a... 02-20-2010, 08:40 PM

DuncanONeil The data does not support the... 02-21-2010, 10:06 AM

steelish No...it's not. But the... 02-21-2010, 01:55 PM

DuncanONeil I live in Wisconsin. When... 02-21-2010, 03:22 PM

denuseri What data? I see no data to... 02-21-2010, 11:54 AM

DuncanONeil Oil company profits: A... 02-21-2010, 03:18 PM

denuseri I agree that the governemnts... 02-21-2010, 02:06 PM

DuncanONeil Ain't gonna happen! ... 02-21-2010, 03:24 PM

steelish I agree with... 02-22-2010, 03:34 AM

oww-that-hurt glaciers 02-22-2010, 09:19 AM

steelish No doubt that glaciers... 02-22-2010, 09:29 AM

DuncanONeil The glaciers have retreated... 02-22-2010, 02:48 PM

steelish Further explanation to the... 02-21-2010, 03:57 PM

steelish Not to mention this... 02-22-2010, 09:31 AM

oww-that-hurt interesting reading 02-22-2010, 01:12 PM

steelish Glaciers where? Glacier's... 02-23-2010, 03:41 AM

DuncanONeil Am currently reviewing... 02-23-2010, 09:33 AM

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DuncanONeil When the information about... 02-22-2010, 02:51 PM

steelish Of course not. Those are the... 04-17-2010, 06:33 PM

denuseri The same National Geographic... 02-26-2010, 05:01 PM

DuncanONeil Yes the same Nat Geo. But... 02-27-2010, 06:13 PM

tedteague considering earth is about... 04-08-2010, 05:17 PM

leo9 I really shouldn't have left... 04-09-2010, 01:07 AM

lucy Even if man-induced global... 04-09-2010, 03:27 AM

DuncanONeil But that then gives rise,... 04-10-2010, 08:47 PM

lucy Sorry and with all due... 04-23-2010, 09:13 AM

DuncanONeil My point exactly!! You are... 05-12-2010, 07:18 AM

DuncanONeil But the AGW "predictions"... 04-10-2010, 08:46 PM

denuseri What can I say Leo...I may... 04-09-2010, 01:44 PM

tedteague Leo, thats not even remotely... 04-09-2010, 05:03 PM

TantricSoul Just a reminder from your... 04-09-2010, 05:46 PM

Thorne While probably quite true,... 04-09-2010, 07:55 PM

DuncanONeil There are as many non experts... 04-10-2010, 08:50 PM

steelish And many of those who "agree"... 04-17-2010, 06:31 PM

steelish Climatology is a small field... 04-24-2010, 07:43 AM

Thorne I would hope you can back... 04-24-2010, 09:05 AM

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steelish Try reading this... 04-23-2010, 07:28 AM

steelish The recent Icelandic eruption... 04-24-2010, 07:45 AM

Thorne While this is true, it is... 04-24-2010, 09:16 AM

DuncanONeil Perhaps that was the planet... 05-12-2010, 07:20 AM

denuseri Which is why the scientists... 04-24-2010, 11:38 AM

Thorne Another of my pet peeves,... 04-24-2010, 08:48 PM

socal_dan Except that the Earth's own... 04-30-2010, 03:06 AM

Thorne Nothing illogical about it at... 04-30-2010, 05:40 AM

leo9 Scientists are never "sure"... 04-26-2010, 04:56 AM

Thorne I know I've told this story... 04-26-2010, 07:32 AM

SadisticNature Specialist 04-26-2010, 09:47 AM

Thorne It's worth remembering, too,... 04-26-2010, 11:46 AM

leo9 And this is where deniers get... 04-27-2010, 04:38 AM

FrgnSwtc I agree, to think that... 04-27-2010, 08:16 AM

DuncanONeil Why is it that does that do... 05-12-2010, 07:39 AM

steelish Watch this video... 04-27-2010, 07:45 AM

Thorne No one questions the fact... 04-27-2010, 10:01 AM

steelish You're right....an... 04-27-2010, 08:10 PM

Thorne I never said any of them were... 04-28-2010, 05:53 AM

SadisticNature Climatology 04-28-2010, 08:41 PM

lucy Apparently not. Saw a feature... 04-30-2010, 02:11 AM

steelish Climatologists created their... 04-30-2010, 06:44 AM

DuncanONeil And I wonder how many of the... 05-12-2010, 08:07 AM

Thorne The advocates are the ones... 05-12-2010, 08:15 PM

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denuseri Besides which, the Earths... 04-30-2010, 11:04 AM

Thorne True, but these emissions are... 04-30-2010, 12:30 PM

denuseri I am also worried in addition... 04-30-2010, 04:33 PM

Thorne How can they be ignored?... 04-30-2010, 09:32 PM

denuseri Just becuase you have no... 05-01-2010, 12:36 AM

Thorne Quite true. But preparing and... 05-01-2010, 07:03 AM

denuseri And as one can see, in some... 05-01-2010, 08:23 AM

Thorne For those wanting to cling to... 05-05-2010, 10:05 AM

steelish a panel of POLITICIANS? No... 05-05-2010, 06:41 PM

Thorne No, the first investigation... 05-05-2010, 09:30 PM

leo9 But the scientist are the... 05-06-2010, 02:38 AM

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Thorne So they're examining the... 05-05-2010, 09:23 PM

steelish It's a safe bet that most... 05-06-2010, 05:54 AM

Thorne You're talking about... 05-06-2010, 06:10 AM

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denuseri lol, How many times will we... 05-06-2010, 02:04 PM

denuseri And even then any given... 05-13-2010, 02:04 PM

Thorne When you are adding knew... 05-13-2010, 07:15 PM

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Thorne That's exactly right. Just... 05-14-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by steelish

And my point is...in the US they report it as if 100% of the scientists agree.

And I think the ratio is not quite so far apart. Nor do we know which portion of the ratio applies to which side!
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