What is submission

[thir]

Submission and what it means varies from person to person. For every submissive there will likely be a different definition. That is one of the first and foremost stumbling blocks of our communities ability to find cohesion and organization to get momentum in the same manner the LGBT community did.

Can you explain more what you mean about momentum and organisation? That we should be better organised because of pressure from main-stream society, or do you mean inner organisation, and if so to what end, or how?

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A submissive will often times be a type 'A' personality, and find comfort and release in their submission.
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What is meant by a type 'A' personality? Haven't heard that before.

Slaves, while holding many of the same personality traits as submissives, have a different mindset than submissives do. A slave will sacrifice their own well being, their own interests for the one they have devoted themselves to. Irregardless if that devotion is properly placed or not.

IMO your sharp divisions here are not really found in reality - I think many subs will go far to please their D and not all slaves will sacrifice everything, to make two examples.

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Can you explain more what you mean about momentum and organisation? That we should be better organised because of pressure from main-stream society, or do you mean inner organisation, and if so to what end, or how?

A submissive will often times be a type 'A' personality, and find comfort and release in their submission.

What is meant by a type 'A' personality? Haven't heard that before.




IMO your sharp divisions here are not really found in reality - I think many subs will go far to please their D and not all slaves will sacrifice everything, to make two examples.

Type A personality.
http://stress.about.com/od/understan...e_a_person.htm

As far as organization. Yes inner organization. I gave the example of the LGBT community. They are well organized. Our community doesn't have the same organization. We are organized on a local level for education and protection within our community. We fail to be organized at a level above that, that would give our community more legal rights. A more firm place in accepted society. This lack of organization is two part. Too many people have to fear the legal ramifications of being actively BDSM, and then there is the definition problem. All the things we do have various definitions. It prevents us from being able to talk about the same thing, and have the same understanding of the same thing without a long drawn out discussion about the definition. Mind you, I don't want someone coming along and being the definition police, I'm just citing my observation into why we are that way.

And my definitions are based in reality, because they are founded on my experience. They are not meant to be your definition, or a definition for anyone else. Hence the reason for prefacing my post with IMO (aka In My Opinion).

[thir]

Type A personality.
http://stress.about.com/od/understan...e_a_person.htm

Interesting! Thanks.

As far as organization. Yes inner organization. I gave the example of the LGBT community. They are well organized. Our community doesn't have the same organization. We are organized on a local level for education and protection within our community. We fail to be organized at a level above that, that would give our community more legal rights. A more firm place in accepted society.

Ok, I get it. A sort of national organisation that deals among other things with accept and legal advice.

This lack of organization is two part. Too many people have to fear the legal ramifications of being actively BDSM,

Quite!

and then there is the definition problem. All the things we do have various definitions. It prevents us from being able to talk about the same thing, and have the same understanding of the same thing without a long drawn out discussion about the definition. Mind you, I don't want someone coming along and being the definition police, I'm just citing my observation into why we are that way.

I see what you mean, and many would agree, at least in principle. Personally I do not think that it is possible to agree on definitions, and while that can be a nuisance, it can also be very giving to discuss them.

And my definitions are based in reality, because they are founded on my experience. They are not meant to be your definition, or a definition for anyone else. Hence the reason for prefacing my post with IMO (aka In My Opinion).

Absolutely. We can all only speak for ourselves, and compare notes, which was what I was trying to do. No offence was intended in any way.