I didnt assume anything about it one way or the other fetish, I was only taking a socratic counter perspective with Arch and pointing out where there may be issues or holes with his proposed method or discription thereof (he and I both were reposting what we said in chat simultaneously here in the forums at the time of our exchange, not fighting).
I still fail to see where any in depth humiliation or degregation play was involved in his primary description, or anything where the dominant in question does any training of their own. Nor do I see much punnishment in the purposed punnishment really.
In so far as it being a simple yet long term task or set of basic rules to accomplish/ follow I see nothing wrong with it in and of itself so long as it is actually clearly explained at the time to the submissives in question and takes safty, common sence and consensuality in to account first over being kinky.
I also see where delia is coming from and I am in full agreement with her, as well as understand why she would wish to caution everyone from adopting something piecemeal to their own relationships without giving whatever it is ones full consideration from many angles as to its actual repercussions (mental as well as physical) becuase all too often what should be basic common sence to all is often overlooked by many; especially the uninitiated.