What can we thank Obama for?

[denuseri]

Well I dont know exactly what I have to thank him for really myself as of yet other than confirming that our election proccess is based off emotion rather than reason and that someone of color can make it to the highest office. In fact...some might say it was becuase of his color (all other things being equal) that he made it to the office in the first place and they are probabely right but thats probabely a topic best left to a whole different thread.

As for the list off the daily dish there are two ways of looking at it. All those things sounded good, but so does all of any administrations telepromted propaganda,, when the results are actually added up however we ussually find a different story is to be told. Just like during his predessesors administrations.

When it comes to torture: He has said one thing, yet done another. The torture is still there people...its just not in the public eye anymore or blantently out in the open.

As for trials for the terrorists,, its a mistake to treat them as US citezans. Unless what one is trying to say is the USA looks upon all the people of the world as it's own. Which then means it is perfectly justified in enforcing its rule over them...er..wait a sec...isnt that what Obama is supporting "still",,(I say "still" becuase there is a precedent in american forgiegn policey to do as it wills when it comes to US imperialism) the same exact policies of his predessesors, only with a new coating of candy on it.

His handling of the financial situation has been quite profitable allright...profitable... for the banks and largest corperations. But...again...he just did what his predessesors allready had in effect for this. The automobile industry falls under the same catagory as the banks etc.

Passage of an ambitious stimulus package for the banks and big corperations has as yet helped to repair any of the many crumbling parts of the US infrastructure and green industry has as of yet to become affordable for the little people.

I have as of yet to see one red cent of this stimulus..my husbands business never got a dime, when it ultimately was foreclosed upon by the banks that were swimming in their own stimulus money, he ended up going back on active duty and is now part of the near continuous deployment cycle.

When I see what he has done to health care I want to cry. It is a big social policy change allright, maby even the biggest since LBJ - but what some call guaranteeing access to health insurance for all Americans; I call garanteeing that all Americans now must purchase health care one way or another or face fines and maby even jail time.





Financial re-regulation is needed allright and call me cynical, but I am sitting here expecting a good floor show (which is what we got with the other stuff) followed by a reality where the big guys yet again come out on top and we the people take it up the ass one more time.


Repaired relations with Russia,??? The Russians think Obama is a joke.

And as for China, lmao...we now owe china so much money they practically could say they own us.

Ending Don't Ask Don't Tell? I wish he would, but he hasnt yet. lol

He hasnt re-balanced anything whatsoever when it comes to the US position in the Middle East, US foreign policy has allways been conducted to advance the interests of the United States Corperate interests. Which is exactly what his predessesors have been doing and what he will continue doing...exactly zero has changed here. It is still a fight to control the oil corridor, and one thats going to get uglier.

Shifting taxes from one area to another is not lowering them. If anything ultimately I think we will see these all go up.

Eaither way its more accurate to say that again the only winner in this scenario so far is the big companies. But then why should that surprise me, when they own the people who run things...including Obama.

[tedteague]

Well I dont know exactly what I have to thank him for really myself as of yet other than confirming that our election proccess is based off emotion rather than reason and that someone of color can make it to the highest office. In fact...some might say it was becuase of his color (all other things being equal) that he made it to the office in the first place and they are probabely right but thats probabely a topic best left to a whole different thread.

As for the list off the daily dish there are two ways of looking at it. All those things sounded good, but so does all of any administrations telepromted propaganda,, when the results are actually added up however we ussually find a different story is to be told. Just like during his predessesors administrations.

When it comes to torture: He has said one thing, yet done another. The torture is still there people...its just not in the public eye anymore or blantently out in the open.

As for trials for the terrorists,, its a mistake to treat them as US citezans. Unless what one is trying to say is the USA looks upon all the people of the world as it's own. Which then means it is perfectly justified in enforcing its rule over them...er..wait a sec...isnt that what Obama is supporting "still",,(I say "still" becuase there is a precedent in american forgiegn policey to do as it wills when it comes to US imperialism) the same exact policies of his predessesors, only with a new coating of candy on it.

His handling of the financial situation has been quite profitable allright...profitable... for the banks and largest corperations. But...again...he just did what his predessesors allready had in effect for this. The automobile industry falls under the same catagory as the banks etc.

Passage of an ambitious stimulus package for the banks and big corperations has as yet helped to repair any of the many crumbling parts of the US infrastructure and green industry has as of yet to become affordable for the little people.

I have as of yet to see one red cent of this stimulus..my husbands business never got a dime, when it ultimately was foreclosed upon by the banks that were swimming in their own stimulus money, he ended up going back on active duty and is now part of the near continuous deployment cycle.

When I see what he has done to health care I want to cry. It is a big social policy change allright, maby even the biggest since LBJ - but what some call guaranteeing access to health insurance for all Americans; I call garanteeing that all Americans now must purchase health care one way or another or face fines and maby even jail time.





Financial re-regulation is needed allright and call me cynical, but I am sitting here expecting a good floor show (which is what we got with the other stuff) followed by a reality where the big guys yet again come out on top and we the people take it up the ass one more time.


Repaired relations with Russia,??? The Russians think Obama is a joke.

And as for China, lmao...we now owe china so much money they practically could say they own us.

Ending Don't Ask Don't Tell? I wish he would, but he hasnt yet. lol

He hasnt re-balanced anything whatsoever when it comes to the US position in the Middle East, US foreign policy has allways been conducted to advance the interests of the United States Corperate interests. Which is exactly what his predessesors have been doing and what he will continue doing...exactly zero has changed here. It is still a fight to control the oil corridor, and one thats going to get uglier.

Shifting taxes from one area to another is not lowering them. If anything ultimately I think we will see these all go up.

Eaither way its more accurate to say that again the only winner in this scenario so far is the big companies. But then why should that surprise me, when they own the people who run things...including Obama.

. . . so he hasnt done anything different. ever.
AND i hope nobody thinks mccain would have handled things any differently
there isnt a two party system anymore. same party, different talking points

[SadisticNature]

I think it says a lot that in a survey of the World's most popular leaders Obama won!

In similar surveys in the past, Bush was typically winning the most unpopular category.

I think the world-view of the US has changed for the better in the past few years.

The world at large was so fed up with U.S. unilateral interventionism that when someone won the presidency while opposing that strategy they got the Nobel Peace Prize.

In Europe, Americans are far more popular, I haven't seen a press story about Americans pinning Canadian flags to their clothing while traveling in Europe in the past two years, an event that was commented on regularly during the Bush Administration, and even suggested as a good idea by travel columnists.

[DuncanONeil]

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I think it says a lot that in a survey of the World's most popular leaders Obama won!

In similar surveys in the past, Bush was typically winning the most unpopular category.

I think the world-view of the US has changed for the better in the past few years.

The world at large was so fed up with U.S. unilateral interventionism that when someone won the presidency while opposing that strategy they got the Nobel Peace Prize.

In Europe, Americans are far more popular, I haven't seen a press story about Americans pinning Canadian flags to their clothing while traveling in Europe in the past two years, an event that was commented on regularly during the Bush Administration, and even suggested as a good idea by travel columnists.

[DuncanONeil]

. . . so he hasnt done anything different. ever.
AND i hope nobody thinks mccain would have handled things any differently
there isnt a two party system anymore. same party, different talking points

Why do you think the term RINO was invented?

Then there is the "Independent" Liberman who meets with the Democrat Caucus, and vote with that party.