Quote Originally Posted by brwneydgirl View Post
The way this is worded, it almost sounds like it's one way OR the other. Either the submissive is "made" to submit---presumably by force....or she climbs on the lap to present herself without being told.

Gosh, is that true? Is it always just one way or the other? Can't you have both of those "types" in ONE submissive?? I like the idea of "force"...being dragged and pushed down and held down...yep. LIKE a LOT.

And I also like the idea of perfect obedience.

Does that make me less submissive than she who may not need or enjoy the physical push?
I didn't mean to say it was one way or the other, I just felt that explaining it in more black and white terms would be less confusing than talking about all the 'gray area'

To answer your question, yes, 'I' (as in personal opinion) think that someone who needs more of a 'push' is less submissive than one who doesn't. There are different degrees of submissiveness, it doesn't make you less of a submissive (and also people will display more or less submissiveness depending on the person)

You get people who just like being told what to do, and don't like being flogged, or spanked, or hurt in any way and you also have people who like to be flogged and spanked and paddled and caned but they don't like being told what to do or obeying etc. and you have everything inbetween and mixes etc. The latter I described isn't necessarily a 'submissive' so much as a 'pain-slut' and I only meant to illustrate that it's possible to be one without the other.